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Old 03-27-2013, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by georgetg
No sweat, go ahead and read it...

The gist of the memo is dead on.
The recipient list is not.

Key words "unnecessary utilization time"

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I tried to read the whole thing but got lost and then lost interest I'll try it again "sometime"........

I was at the AMS roadshow last week and part of the presentation was all the things they are measuring on how we get jets in and out of the gates. As I recall, it's 15 items starting with what time the gate agent logs in at the gate prior to the flight to how fast they get the door open after we block in. I believe it was part of the dispatchers presentation and by then I was freezing to death (very cold room, Ferd in just a light shirt) and still pi$$ed off from the A330 crew bunk discussion with SD and really wanting a beer, sooooo I didn't go up and take a closer look at the slide.

One interesting thing they are trying is changing the Delta procedure for moving the jetway after landing. Normally, the agent can't move the jetway up to the airplane till all 3 chocks are in. Now they are trying a test in ATL where they chock the nose (with the brakes set) and move the jetway while they are chocking the mains. ATL is now leading that metric by a bunch and all the other hubs are begging to do it too.

Like I said, they are measuring a bunch of stuff in addition to the brakes on and off. One guy mentioned that the're still a bunch of "stuck chocks" around the system and SD just laughed and said "I know".

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Old 03-27-2013, 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
And USAir's international operations. Their company views it as a safety issue so they bundled all the flying under Whitlow. Rules of the Road-->Safety is always FIRST!

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I am glad you mentioned that. If that sticks with the new AA that would be something to bring into discussion for our next contract.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FIIGMO
This forum is way too dreary and negative focused lately! I want more of everything too but complaining here is not gonna do it! So lets focus on other things that are fun to focus on! Red tomato's!!!

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Cracking down on the "professionals". (Can one be a professional by answering an ad in the newspaper?) Imagine actually having to be fit to preform emergency duties!



Shape up or don't fly, Air India tells cabin crew over 40 - Travel Kit on NBCNews.com
I'm no Nitro myself (American Gladiators), but I'm doubtful some of our pilots would fair so well if they had to meet the same medical standards and emergency drills they went through when hired.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
I am glad you mentioned that. If that sticks with the new AA that would be something to bring into discussion for our next contract.
It won't be since Whitlow will no longer exist then.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
I am glad you mentioned that. If that sticks with the new AA that would be something to bring into discussion for our next contract.
From what I hear, it is set to change on its own (to 14 hours) once the "new" rules are implemented.

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Old 03-27-2013, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
SC for 7ER:

1. 0800-2000=Domestic and International trips
2. 2001-0800=International trips only

**If you have not been given a "stated and noted(icrew)" 24 hour rest break in the past continuous 7 days then you are only good for International trips.

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I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I totally get that what you stated is currently the way it works. What I'm questioning is any upcoming changes that may or may not be in the works. I have heard from numerous sources that the new FAR changes are going to require applying Whitlow to international categories.
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
I'm no Nitro myself (American Gladiators), but I'm doubtful some of our pilots would fair so well if they had to meet the same medical standards and emergency drills they went through when hired.
Speak for yourself fat boy

Ok, me too.......

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Ferd - home from last trip after drinking beer with Denny Crane: 223 lbs
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Old 03-27-2013, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I totally get that what you stated is currently the way it works. What I'm questioning is any upcoming changes that may or may not be in the works. I have heard from numerous sources that the new FAR changes are going to require applying Whitlow to international categories.
Sorry. I hear the rules will be changed to 14 hours for INT'L SC-- no longer 24 hours.

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Old 03-27-2013, 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
Ok, I get that part but I thought the new rules were going to change where they will have to apply Whitlow to international? That is where I'm getting conflicting info. Thanks for the reply.
Whitlow will never apply to international (flag) operations. Whitlow was nothing but a legal interpretation issued by the FAA legal department to answer a specific question about the domestic rest FAR only. And since rest rules for flag operations are currently under a different FAR, the Whitlow interpretation did not apply to them.

The new FARs no longer differentiate between domestic and flag operations and instead they only look at the number of pilots being used (2,3,4 etc). I guess you can say that in effect it will be like Whitlow applying to international ops, but that's not really accurate.
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
I feel like I'm beating a dead horse here. I totally get that what you stated is currently the way it works. What I'm questioning is any upcoming changes that may or may not be in the works. I have heard from numerous sources that the new FAR changes are going to require applying Whitlow to international categories.
Whitlow will no longer exist when FAR 117 is implemented. It will all be different then... and much more complicated!
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