Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-26-2013, 06:32 PM
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Pensions? SD's assertion that we'd hire in 2012 after passing the TA?
In all fairness...the company has always treated me fairly on small matters such as family emergencies, etc.
But it's the company's job to try to fleece us on big things like pay. We are a cost unit, a liability. If they can get us to work for $15/hour, they owe it to their shareholders to do so. Doesn't help when ALPA's in the bag for the company.
It's on us to get every penny we can.
In all fairness...the company has always treated me fairly on small matters such as family emergencies, etc.
But it's the company's job to try to fleece us on big things like pay. We are a cost unit, a liability. If they can get us to work for $15/hour, they owe it to their shareholders to do so. Doesn't help when ALPA's in the bag for the company.
It's on us to get every penny we can.
I'd put staffing reductions right next to pay cuts meaning they're just as desirable as getting people to work for less. I'd readily give out a 4% pay increase if I get a 10% cost decrease via reduced staffing.
03-26-2013, 06:41 PM
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And the hits keep coming...
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03-26-2013, 06:44 PM
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From the Excellence email, "as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can funnel more flying back into the schedule to further benefit us all."
I might edit that to say as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can continue to cut the number of pilots required and put off hiring for another two, three, or even four years.
That was probably the version that went up the chain...we saw the one that came down.
I might edit that to say as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can continue to cut the number of pilots required and put off hiring for another two, three, or even four years.
That was probably the version that went up the chain...we saw the one that came down.
Ever think the "inefficiencies" being referred to are RJs?
03-26-2013, 06:49 PM
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03-26-2013, 06:49 PM
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FLY,
The company does really seem to be going all out to prevent short term hiring, but I think they will have to hire next winter for summer 2014.
Once we start the hiring process the company will have to pull a lot of guys off the line as IPs, conducting IOEs etc, so that once you start the process it kind of becomes self sustaining. In my opinion the company decided to go all out to delay hiring until after this summer, ie. parking the DC-9s, etc, because otherwise they would have had to start hiring sooner.
As much as the company wants to avoid hiring I really don't see them putting it off much past next winter.
Also, we just covered only a small portion of the 717s on this last Advanced Displacement bid, hopefully the next few bids will actually be, ........... dare I say it, "Advanced Entitlements."
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The company does really seem to be going all out to prevent short term hiring, but I think they will have to hire next winter for summer 2014.
Once we start the hiring process the company will have to pull a lot of guys off the line as IPs, conducting IOEs etc, so that once you start the process it kind of becomes self sustaining. In my opinion the company decided to go all out to delay hiring until after this summer, ie. parking the DC-9s, etc, because otherwise they would have had to start hiring sooner.
As much as the company wants to avoid hiring I really don't see them putting it off much past next winter.
Also, we just covered only a small portion of the 717s on this last Advanced Displacement bid, hopefully the next few bids will actually be, ........... dare I say it, "Advanced Entitlements."
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03-26-2013, 07:07 PM
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How long can you keep that argument going if the company nets for example $2,000,000,000 (Two Billion dollars with a "B") or lets say even 3 billion which is not out of the question of where things are headed. Will you continue to fall back on that company produced, ALPA disseminated talking point that "We cant bring restoration to the pilots because it will break the bank?"....when it really wont.
We will get some of that $2B - just not all of it. Management is trying to run the company - not just pay pilots. They have other things to pay for like airplanes, IT upgrades, aircraft interior upgrades to stay competitive, debt service and pay raises for the other 65,000 employees.
I am happy for the company to be profitable, pay down debt and buy more efficient airplanes. It means that in the long term, they can be more efficient, stay competitive and be more profitable in the future - so they can pay us more later.
We all have careers at Delta. Getting huge payouts in 2013 won't help us in 2020 - it's just kicking the can down the road. We need a sustainable payrate. Look what happened at C2K rates.
03-26-2013, 07:18 PM
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Flap droop?
03-26-2013, 07:52 PM
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03-26-2013, 08:35 PM
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Try looking to the avatar to the left. That fine lapel pin/tie tack was sent to me and every other ALPA member post BK.
03-26-2013, 08:43 PM
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Let me ask you this. Your pension was handed over by ALPA during BK. It has been replaced by a 401K. Remember, we are the only employee group to have done this. The others had theirs frozen and still have their 401Ks and company contributions as well.
Now, do you want to put more in your 401k now or later closer to when you punch out??? Are your skills going to be worth more later? Are they less valuable now?
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