Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-26-2013, 05:48 PM
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Like it or not, we're all tied to Delta. Everyone made a choice when they got hired at the original airlines. Whether Western, Republic, North Central, Hughes Airwest, Southern, Pan Am, Northwest, Mesaba, Compass or Delta (did I forget anyone) - we've all ended up here. When it's time for a rise, ALPA does the best they can with the tools we have, the market conditions at the time of negotiations and political winds. Sometimes it's a ****ty deal like after 9/11, othertimes it's a decent deal like the ones we just got. Sometimes it's a home run like C2K. Those circumstances change each time we're up for a new contract - and comparing one against the other just doesn't make sense.
03-26-2013, 05:48 PM
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With the new FAR's, we will all essentially be at the same level of productivity. It was based on our contract, after all. Any other 'efficiencies' will need to come in the form of better scheduling and fleet decisions. Not my department. I want to make industry leading pay if I'm expected to deliver an industry leading product. We fly a $h*tload of cargo. We fly super premium charters. We fly all over the bloody globe. We are making billions in profits. I want my share of that, plain and simple. I don't care if it hurts the company a little, they'll just have to cut back on the stockholder dividends and gay pride floats. My union needs to realize this and act accordingly.
03-26-2013, 05:50 PM
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The easy way out is to show guys that they can make more money by working more. A majority of DAL pilots voted for exactly that. And that's what we've all got now. The final step by management is making sure that everybody works as much as possible. That can be done in two ways- by making staffing adjustments which make dropping or swapping impossible, and then by increasing the ALV's to the point where you have no choice but to fly the whole line every month, month in and month out, for the rest of your career. By keeping pay increases below the cost of living adjustments, and by increasing health care expenses, the average line pilot now feels more pressure than ever to just suck it up and work more. Until we have a real sea change at the top of ALPA, this downward cycle in our careers will just persist. It's too easy to buy off on a small raise, a veiled and so far false promise of growth. Not enough pilots are willing to step up and hold our reps feet to the fire and demand more. You say there isn't enough money? You say that now we have to give the FA's raises? I want FedEx PLUS in 2015. If my reps say that isn't possible, then I'm going to be signing a card with a union who believes it is and is at least willing to go to bat for it.
03-26-2013, 05:53 PM
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With the new FAR's, we will all essentially be at the same level of productivity. It was based on our contract, after all. Any other 'efficiencies' will need to come in the form of better scheduling and fleet decisions. Not my department. I want to make industry leading pay if I'm expected to deliver an industry leading product. We fly a $h*tload of cargo. We fly super premium charters. We fly all over the bloody globe. We are making billions in profits. I want my share of that, plain and simple. I don't care if it hurts the company a little, they'll just have to cut back on the stockholder dividends and gay pride floats. My union needs to realize this and act accordingly.
03-26-2013, 06:00 PM
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Our pay rates are the second highest of all the passenger airlines out there. And that's only 1% behind SWA. Next closest is 7% lower than us (Hawaiian). And 13% above the average (using the 757/767 rate, and largest airplane at airlines that don't have them) And that's just the pay rate, not including retirement. There are so many factors in our contract that are better than others.
Sure - it's not C2K - but we aren't going to get that relative buying power anytime soon - I wish I was getting those numbers too, but sad to say, people aren't going to be paying those kind of rates for airlines tickets anymore either.
03-26-2013, 06:03 PM
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From the Excellence email, "as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can funnel more flying back into the schedule to further benefit us all."
I might edit that to say as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can continue to cut the number of pilots required and put off hiring for another two, three, or even four years.
That was probably the version that went up the chain...we saw the one that came down.
I might edit that to say as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can continue to cut the number of pilots required and put off hiring for another two, three, or even four years.
That was probably the version that went up the chain...we saw the one that came down.
03-26-2013, 06:04 PM
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03-26-2013, 06:11 PM
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03-26-2013, 06:22 PM
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From the Excellence email, "as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can funnel more flying back into the schedule to further benefit us all."
I might edit that to say as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can continue to cut the number of pilots required and put off hiring for another two, three, or even four years.
That was probably the version that went up the chain...we saw the one that came down.
I might edit that to say as we cut inefficiencies out of the operation, Delta can continue to cut the number of pilots required and put off hiring for another two, three, or even four years.
That was probably the version that went up the chain...we saw the one that came down.
FLY,
The company does really seem to be going all out to prevent short term hiring, but I think they will have to hire next winter for summer 2014.
Once we start the hiring process the company will have to pull a lot of guys off the line as IPs, conducting IOEs etc, so that once you start the process it kind of becomes self sustaining. In my opinion the company decided to go all out to delay hiring until after this summer, ie. parking the DC-9s, etc, because otherwise they would have had to start hiring sooner.
As much as the company wants to avoid hiring I really don't see them putting it off much past next winter.
Also, we just covered only a small portion of the 717s on this last Advanced Displacement bid, hopefully the next few bids will actually be, ........... dare I say it, "Advanced Entitlements."
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03-26-2013, 06:23 PM
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How long can you keep that argument going if the company nets for example $2,000,000,000 (Two Billion dollars with a "B") or lets say even 3 billion which is not out of the question of where things are headed. Will you continue to fall back on that company produced, ALPA disseminated talking point that "We cant bring restoration to the pilots because it will break the bank?"....when it really wont.
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