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03-19-2013, 07:52 AM
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From the fleet directors perspective, they like junior instructors because it helps out their budget in the "get paid what you can hold" scale. I would hazard a guess to say that there are other fleets that do the same thing, just not as high profile.
They are hiring more instructors, if you know the airplane, apply.
03-19-2013, 07:53 AM
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03-19-2013, 08:00 AM
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There is actually more the calculus than that. Not only do you have to know the airplane, be able to teach, but you have to be willing to live in ATL. With no more positive space, per diem and hotels, the 747 fleet is losing a huge number of DGS instructors, many of which literally wrote the original training program. Replacing all of them means you might have to make compromises.
From the fleet directors perspective, they like junior instructors because it helps out their budget in the "get paid what you can hold" scale. I would hazard a guess to say that there are other fleets that do the same thing, just not as high profile.
They are hiring more instructors, if you know the airplane, apply.
From the fleet directors perspective, they like junior instructors because it helps out their budget in the "get paid what you can hold" scale. I would hazard a guess to say that there are other fleets that do the same thing, just not as high profile.
They are hiring more instructors, if you know the airplane, apply.
03-19-2013, 08:09 AM
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Well, look at the 777A instructors. Most if not all can't hold it either and have been doing it for years. It is what it is. i worked as a 727B instructor for 3+ years, it"s a good deal if you can get it. You get paid what you can hold up to a limit. I was getting L1011B pay back then and went back to the line as a 727A in NYC.
I believe it should go one step further, Every Instructor should come from our active Seniority List. That has nothing to do with the quality of what we have, cause its good, it has everything to do with us continually giving jobs back and being stagnant.
03-19-2013, 08:11 AM
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That maybe true, but that doesn't make it right. First of all I have an issue with any FO, myself included, being an instructor. Just another way the company is taking away money and Capt seats. I get it is cheaper for an AQ FO than a LCA, but that is still, IMHO, a Capt seat that someone should be able to upgrade into, in SENIORITY ORDER. You mean to tell me in all the categories we don't have enough qualified pilots to be instructors, that we have to go outside of the seniority system to get a good instructor? Or is it that it would put an end to the Good ol Boy system?
I believe it should go one step further, Every Instructor should come from our active Seniority List. That has nothing to do with the quality of what we have, cause its good, it has everything to do with us continually giving jobs back and being stagnant.
I believe it should go one step further, Every Instructor should come from our active Seniority List. That has nothing to do with the quality of what we have, cause its good, it has everything to do with us continually giving jobs back and being stagnant.
03-19-2013, 08:28 AM
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Amazingly, the only employee you are required to have in order to be certified as a commercial air carrier is a pilot. The certificate is the same sheet of paper Delta gets... kind of in the same way some 17 year olds Private Pilot Certificate looks like Timbos until you read the fine print.
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03-19-2013, 08:49 AM
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No thanks. I'll take my 03:45 wakeup in SAV anyday - of course that flight usually lands into the sunrise in ATL too, soooo....nevermind
03-19-2013, 08:56 AM
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The FA's already get holding pay for extended delays at the gate-- we don't. We are responsible for the Flight Attendants as well as the passengers when the door is closed, yet we get nothing. I would put it to them like this: The pilots are responsible for the equipment, crew, and passengers when the door is closed, and that is how they are paid. The FA's have some good deals and some not so good deals vis a vis other airlines, and vis a vis us (holding pay, holiday pay, crew rest bunks). They didn't have their pension terminated. They got raises when we got zip. There is no need or logical reason to tie their compensation to ours.
In the end relative to what the industry pays we are better compensated then the flight attendants by a nice margin.
03-19-2013, 09:00 AM
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If you then taxied to a gate to deplane the passengers you should be paid. If the aircraft stayed on the pad and the passengers were bused your out of luck contractually except for duty pay.
03-19-2013, 09:18 AM
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Furthermore, we choose to worry about "me too" flight attendants while we have a c-class group of ALPA pilots flying 90-seat CRJs and E-175 for less than what a high school to cabin flight attendant makes, that is seriously misguided. The flight attendants turned down union representation, they are not ALPAs responsibility.
But at least ALPA's complicity has kept management constructively engaged so they throw you the occasional bone like door-closed block-out times. Oh wait....
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