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Old 03-18-2013, 07:26 AM
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Now I figured they run a test today so I hope my bidding all NYC screws things up.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Yeahbut...you forgot about the VD's!
VDs are fun, and the best part about a VD is you can get one this time around. It's a free pass!!!!

Wait, what are we talking about?

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BTW, I'm not big into this whole AE stuff so what's the reason why VDs don't count this time on the 717 again? Because the 717 is new right?
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
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Interestingly, when some F/A's were found out doing same (bidding on open time for friends that were airborne at the time), they were canned.

They must not have been Asian. This practice is still going on with FAs, the Asian Mafia is very active in this and has a robo-program that grabs open time and distributes it. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
VDs are fun, and the best part about a VD is you can get one this time around. It's a free pass!!!!

Wait, what are we talking about?

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BTW, I'm not big into this whole AE stuff so what's the reason why VDs don't count this time on the 717 again? Because the 717 is new right?
Are you talking about the 24mo. Training Freeze in any old category, that doesn't count, but only if going into a New Category (717 in this bid)?

A VD is simply a more senior pilot who wants out of his category, but is too senior to be MD'd out, and there is no A/E (that he can hold) into another category he'd like to move to.

In that case, he can take the junior guy's MD (in his category) out, to try to get into that other category, but only if the junior guy who's MD he's VD'ng can hold that other category.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
They must not have been Asian. This practice is still going on with FAs, the Asian Mafia is very active in this and has a robo-program that grabs open time and distributes it. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
My last trip on the ER was with a very young and junior asian A-line. The bitter FAs in the van plus a Captain whose wife was a FA began to ask questions. He explained it all. He probably wasn't supposed to do that.

But he was young and junior.

Something about if you can get it in the first 15 minutes then first come first serve and you don't drop anything without contacting the designated person sitting at the computer that day handling everyone's trips for them. So you call to make a trade or drop and then that person looks on the list of who is up next and will log in for them and pick up said trip in that 15 minute window.

That was years ago and I can see why you'd get canned for it.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
They must not have been Asian. This practice is still going on with FAs, the Asian Mafia is very active in this and has a robo-program that grabs open time and distributes it. At least that is how it has been explained to me.
You'll know it's happened when you see a little 25yr. old Asian girl with a SN of about 15,000+ flying your next Joburg trip, with all the 68yr. old 'area code' (3 digit SN) gals.

One of the senior momma's was telling me about that Asian Moffia program, they call it...

"Snatch"

She said they have gone to the company to try to put a stop to it, but the company won't do anything about it.
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Old 03-18-2013, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by daldude
Asked Chief pilot asked why delay on 717 entry into service. Did not mention sim moving. But did say that now they could delay converting as many pilots to 717 over summer.

Pretty logical on company's part, now they can continue to delay hiring. I'm not saying the sky is falling and I'm sure someone can put some positive spin on why they are not going to start 717 service. But before you bid for the summer off I think it is pretty clear that it not going to happen. I can see the next CR letter saying Nov then Dec then by next summer for 717 service.

Also, in the last letter from ops I was led to believe that we are still over staffed in the 330 and will be further overstaffed when they start the lie flat conversions and start removing the 330's from service. There is your next source of funding for the 717. Hmmm
Also the "gate latency" thing could eliminate many, many thousands of block hours per year from the schedule. That's what its for mostly IMO, and not "tracking ground control alleyway congestion" which is uber bogus. That could be a major cource of "funding" to further delay hiring, while potential merger "partners" continue to hire and get "more senior" than DL pilots.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Oh, and 'My Theory' is not a theory at all, it's just how the system works. I've been displaced more than a few times in the past 27+ years, so I know how it works.
Geez you guys are so triggered to anger!! I just meant that as friendly little banter by saying let's test your theory.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by NERD
We need to do away the GS system. It only benefits locals. I'm guessing over 50% of us commute. By not having 1.5 over say ALV for example, it's cost me over a $1500 this month. I don't pick up or trade, just fly what pbs gives me. With ALVs going up with the new contract we should work on this, possibly in any negotiation involving the Virgen code share. There can stil be double time for inverse assignments or reroutes into days off. I'm sure the other half that don't commute won't like this though.
While we're at it can we eliminate the crappy commutable 5-day trips that none of non-commuting pilots want to fly but end up getting them when the commuters don't take them or call in sick on them? Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-commuter, but that ax swings both ways.

P.S. I think your commuter % is a bit high as well.
P.P.S. I'm not senior either.
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by timbo


i've got a better idea, how about we pay 1.5x for every hour flown under the alv, and nothing paid for hours flown above it?

Just like our old pay rates, and a 75hr. Cap with the extra going into a bow wave.
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