Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-15-2013, 02:08 PM
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Considering I find his posts rational and well thought out, that doesn't say a whole lot for a fairly sizable seniority demographic, who 6 years ago could have left and been Captains at Virgin America if they hated Delta or NWA so much. Oh what's that you say? They're making more in the right seat here?
I'm gonna start calling anyone hired between 2000-2008 the "broken promise" generation.
I'm gonna start calling anyone hired between 2000-2008 the "broken promise" generation.
03-15-2013, 02:43 PM
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03-15-2013, 02:45 PM
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03-15-2013, 02:51 PM
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Considering I find his posts rational and well thought out, that doesn't say a whole lot for a fairly sizable seniority demographic, who 6 years ago could have left and been Captains at Virgin America if they hated Delta or NWA so much. Oh what's that you say? They're making more in the right seat here?
I'm gonna start calling anyone hired between 2000-2008 the "broken promise" generation.
I'm gonna start calling anyone hired between 2000-2008 the "broken promise" generation.
I'm sure your choice of comparisons warm the "hearts" of management and management wannabes.
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03-15-2013, 02:53 PM
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I agree fully. None of the triggers failed. Sailing can say what he wants about mil leave and early-outs, nothing in the macro environment prevented hiring, and the company is smart enough to input mil leave and early outs into the equation. If not, they should be smart enough that they don't know enough about mil leave and early outs, and therefore can't predict hiring. SD knew what he was doing. It's not an egregious act, or evil, just... business.
As for the explanation that the Board doesn't want hiring... that makes perfect sense. It also makes perfect sense for SD not to take the Board for granted when he made the statement.
We all know what happened; let's put on our big-boys pants and recognize an non-binding sales argument when we see one.
As for the explanation that the Board doesn't want hiring... that makes perfect sense. It also makes perfect sense for SD not to take the Board for granted when he made the statement.
We all know what happened; let's put on our big-boys pants and recognize an non-binding sales argument when we see one.
They will still need the same number of pilots in 3 years. They will just have to compress the hiring. Flight ops did not want to do that but lost that battle.
03-15-2013, 02:54 PM
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03-15-2013, 02:55 PM
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03-15-2013, 03:09 PM
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OK if you know him and vouch for him then I stand corrected. I suspect one large reason he is rarahrah more than most with his seniority is he knows he's got time to forge ahead even if we end up shrinking or stagnating more years. I get that. What I don't like is him trying to upsell his optimism based upon his own upward mobility and "balloon payment" seniority twenty years from now to those of us with less time to undo the damage of work rule/contract changes that hamper our careers in the near term.
03-15-2013, 03:15 PM
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True that. My hopefull side says "YES!" but my mind says more of the same is on the way based upon other perfectly timed rumors. Code shares, capacity discipline, productivity... that's what the company wants and chances are that's what the company gets unless we figure out a way to strengthen our voice and resolve. There can be a win/win that also expands Delta pilot jobs.
03-15-2013, 03:19 PM
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So far the only thing that's happened is the company has done everything with the fleet plan they said they would. It now appears they plan to do even more then their sales job. This forum is focused on hiring when the fleet plan is more important. Lots of reasons they did not hire a small number of pilots this winter. Mil leaves, ER participation, moving up the nines retirement and the fact we are running a really good airline which reduces reserve needs and credit pay.
They will still need the same number of pilots in 3 years. They will just have to compress the hiring. Flight ops did not want to do that but lost that battle.
They will still need the same number of pilots in 3 years. They will just have to compress the hiring. Flight ops did not want to do that but lost that battle.
Nobody forced SD to make that statement at TA time, right?
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