Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-13-2013, 08:15 PM
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03-13-2013, 08:17 PM
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Emirates doesn't have Emirates connection flying half its airline's arrivals into DXB... not to mention the mix of other carriers is even lower than ATL.
However, if they apply it the same way DL did, it will have the same non-results. Only with mandatory compliance AND flight deck compliance measurement will it ever actually function as advertised as that way you get real statistical input instead of assumptions.
Otherwise, they got duped just the same!
The math on the ATTILA scoreboard is all 100% invalid, FWIW. It is all based on assumptions inserted into the variables. From there, they extrapolate that poor baseline into other figures which exacerbate the errors.
However, if they apply it the same way DL did, it will have the same non-results. Only with mandatory compliance AND flight deck compliance measurement will it ever actually function as advertised as that way you get real statistical input instead of assumptions.
Otherwise, they got duped just the same!
The math on the ATTILA scoreboard is all 100% invalid, FWIW. It is all based on assumptions inserted into the variables. From there, they extrapolate that poor baseline into other figures which exacerbate the errors.
They goofed.
03-13-2013, 08:18 PM
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BTW, have you ever seen a video of Newk parking a DC-9?
uh, the person who posted it didn't realize it wasn't a retirement flight, it's how they cool the 9s wings down
03-13-2013, 08:51 PM
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03-13-2013, 09:01 PM
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03-13-2013, 09:04 PM
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03-13-2013, 10:16 PM
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I've heard the 88 glass is actually really cheap. The numbers I've heard are so low I really can't even believe it. Like low, low 6 figures per copy. In any case one of the latest updates referred to them as "fuel efficient" which I thought was pretty interesting with permanent oil prices over 3-4 times what they thought were short lived bubble prices not that long ago.
In any case I hope you're (your?) right about the growth WB AC. 10-15, assuming they truly are net growth AC, happing at the same time as the influx of 717/737s, which even if they are all replacements will at least pump up the training bubble, at the same time retirements start to build could, just maybe, break the logjam of eternal stagnation and start to undo the "lost decade".
03-14-2013, 02:26 AM
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Define now. In the original CR newsletter it made reference to a possible WB order as a factor in upcoming AE's. If an order was approved how long would it take before they arrived, were painted, configured and started showing up to be a factor in AE's? Maybe next year? This is likely why the comment was removed.
03-14-2013, 03:24 AM
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Emirates doesn't have Emirates connection flying half its airline's arrivals into DXB... not to mention the mix of other carriers is even lower than ATL.
However, if they apply it the same way DL did, it will have the same non-results. Only with mandatory compliance AND flight deck compliance measurement will it ever actually function as advertised as that way you get real statistical input instead of assumptions.
Otherwise, they got duped just the same!
The math on the ATTILA scoreboard is all 100% invalid, FWIW. It is all based on assumptions inserted into the variables. From there, they extrapolate that poor baseline into other figures which exacerbate the errors.
However, if they apply it the same way DL did, it will have the same non-results. Only with mandatory compliance AND flight deck compliance measurement will it ever actually function as advertised as that way you get real statistical input instead of assumptions.
Otherwise, they got duped just the same!
The math on the ATTILA scoreboard is all 100% invalid, FWIW. It is all based on assumptions inserted into the variables. From there, they extrapolate that poor baseline into other figures which exacerbate the errors.
03-14-2013, 03:36 AM
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Sailing,
Not to pick on you, but wasn't it two years ago that Delta sent out another "Request for Proposals" for 200 narrowbody aircraft with an option for an additional 200 (possible buy of 400 aircraft)? The "decision" was to be announced in the fall.
So what happens? Airbus announces the introduction of the NEO series of the A-320 family and sells several hundred at the Paris airshow, as well as hundreds more afterward. Boeing gets virtually shut out in Paris with their
sub-mediocre 737 product (IIRC they sold four).
When Delta finally makes a decision Airbus has sold the heck out of the A-320 NEO's and has about zero incentive to give Delta a good price (just like Boeing's lack of incentive to discount the 777-300-ER's today).
Boeing on the other hand has been totally humiliated by the the relative sales of the NEO on the one hand, and their lackluster 737 product on the other, and decides to produce the so-called "Max" series of 737. Boeing offers Delta a deeply discounted price on the current generation 737.
Delta announces their decision. They're going to buy 100 737-900's. They bought a crappy airplane (because they got a "deal"), but they ordered 1/2 of what their original RFP was for, much less the options.
It's probably pretty obvious from the tone of my post, but I was very underwhelmed. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I'm not expecting much at all...
Please let me be wrong!
Not to pick on you, but wasn't it two years ago that Delta sent out another "Request for Proposals" for 200 narrowbody aircraft with an option for an additional 200 (possible buy of 400 aircraft)? The "decision" was to be announced in the fall.
So what happens? Airbus announces the introduction of the NEO series of the A-320 family and sells several hundred at the Paris airshow, as well as hundreds more afterward. Boeing gets virtually shut out in Paris with their
sub-mediocre 737 product (IIRC they sold four).
When Delta finally makes a decision Airbus has sold the heck out of the A-320 NEO's and has about zero incentive to give Delta a good price (just like Boeing's lack of incentive to discount the 777-300-ER's today).
Boeing on the other hand has been totally humiliated by the the relative sales of the NEO on the one hand, and their lackluster 737 product on the other, and decides to produce the so-called "Max" series of 737. Boeing offers Delta a deeply discounted price on the current generation 737.
Delta announces their decision. They're going to buy 100 737-900's. They bought a crappy airplane (because they got a "deal"), but they ordered 1/2 of what their original RFP was for, much less the options.
It's probably pretty obvious from the tone of my post, but I was very underwhelmed. I sincerely hope I'm wrong, but I'm not expecting much at all...
Please let me be wrong!
I do get amused by the constant forum babble about buying airlines to get their aircraft and slots and Delta getting shut out of aircraft types because they are sold out. As RA stated at one meeting he can get any aircraft he wants in 6 months. Delta is the 2nd largest airline in the world. Both Boeing and Airbus set up their deliveries and contracts so they can cater to large customers. If we want NEO's or Maxes we will get them when we want them. I suspect that is why the purchases have been structured the way we set them up. We get airframes now and then can fill out the order books later with the next generation.
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