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Old 03-11-2013, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Mislead employees into voting for a contract which allows a big RJ order that is desired - pass without mention


I never believed Steve Dickson (et.al.) statements when he made them, so it can not be said I relied on them to my detriment....
It's been a rude awakening to realize that SD is no better than those dime-a-dozen slick lawyer airline executives we've grown to expect...but hoped to be done with here.

I must admit, I looked up to him. Cadet wing commander, F-15 superstar, law school, etc. He talked the talk about "integrity." I expected a little more from him.

He prostituted his integrity...and why? For his ego? To make a few extra bucks? He's let himself go physically, and he looks like a wreck. And now his integrity is gone, too.

It's now apparent the company had zero intention of hiring in 2012. Sure, the lawyers among us will say he left plenty of wiggle room in his statement about hiring in 2012. But the fact is, he intended to deceive us into voting for the TA. Deep down, he knows it. He has to. And so do we.

I hope it was worth it, SD.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dalad
I did depart GRU one night at MTOW with over 60 empty seats in coach and no non revs, over 40k on cargo. We wondered if we were carrying gold bars.
Maybe if you were going the other direction...
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster
Saying that Delta will hire 8000 pilots, in ten years, does not make sense. Please tell me someone asked him how that would be accomplished. Hire and train 800 pilots a year when they say there not going to hire this year. That means they have to hire and train 888 pilots a year starting in 2014. With this quick math, I am sure that someone asked if we are able to do train that many new hires.
In the past Delta has hired a like amount per year. I have absolutely no knowledge of the future plans but my guess is that it is possible. I'll bet the Company knows pretty much exactly how many new hires per year they can handle.

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Old 03-11-2013, 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Maybe if you were going the other direction...
By far the most high value bars that I've carried have all been going into the US.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Even if D-0 is at risk for a minute or two (as long as its not the "fault" of the non rev, i.e. showing up at D-0 or D+1, etc).
I don't know, with Gate Latency I'm kind of concerned for nonrevs no matter how early they show.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:28 AM
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by seamonster
In 10 years Delta will only retire 4800 pilots due to age 65. That is 480 pilots to be hired and trained every year for 10 years. As far as I know that puts the training department at max production for 10 years. So, if we are to have 8000 pilots hired in the next ten years how are we going to train an extra 3200 pilots. It is clear, to me, that they are going to buy a pilot group to get the new pilots. To say we are going to hire 8000 pilots is just not feasible in our training department.
Delta is more then capable of training more then 480 pilots per year.
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I don't know, with Gate Latency I'm kind of concerned for nonrevs no matter how early they show.
Agreed. Part of the problem is that we wait until the last minute to clear even when the flight is wide open, not weight restricted, etc. not all agents do it but it seems to be all too frequent. Inevitably they get loaded up with something else and next thing you know people get left behind.

When I worked at COEX nonrevs got left ALL the time in the CAL system. CAL had laser like focus on D-0 and now we are walking down the same path. Efficiency is great but....
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
And yet little to no hiring for at least another year, maybe more. That really amps up the hiring when it does start...or makes that 8000/10 figure look that much less likely.

Yeah I know its possible, but if they were really planning on that many, the gates would be opening up soon. We'll see I guess.
How do you know we won't hire in 2013?
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Old 03-11-2013, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Delta is more then capable of training more then 480 pilots per year.
Yeah 480/year is not out of the question. It's just a lot of E periods
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