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Old 03-11-2013, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Begin the process is not hiring. That was to get the needed pipeline set up and start interviews. Hiring would have began in winter of13
First, go look at the charts and statistics from TG 12-06 then tell me there isn't an actual implied hiring.

Second, that is a deceitful way to word it, especially since that wording was below those supporting statistics.....if that was in fact the intent. It is like a literal interpretation my children sometimes do when it works to their advantage.

I don't care if they hire or not. Just don't like being tricked.
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Old 03-11-2013, 03:52 AM
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I heard yesterday from a friend of mine. He was told by a LCA that the 717's were only on a 5 yr lease. Any truth to that? I try to keep up with this thread but do miss a bit. I don't remember reading anything about this on here.

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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I have no idea where you come uo with a year. They planned to set things up in Nov of 12 to start interviews in Dec with pilots in class in Feb of 13.
Ok, must have misunderstood you there.
When you said winter 2013 I thought you meant the end of the year (Dec. 2013), but you must have been referring to the beginning of the year (Jan. 2013).


Just curious, Sail, but what do you personally see as the short term/long term pilot staffing levels as?
My opinion is that management would rather be slightly understaffed with enough contractual flexibility to maintain the integrity of the schedule.
If I had to put a number on it, I would say around 10,000 pilots lets not forgot the possibilities of an another acquisition or merger in which case they would not want to be heavy on pilots in that scenario.

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Old 03-11-2013, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by fisherpilot
I heard yesterday from a friend of mine. He was told by a LCA that the 717's were only on a 5 yr lease. Any truth to that? I try to keep up with this thread but do miss a bit. I don't remember reading anything about this on here.

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I'm sure they'll stick around longer than that. Perhaps 5 years is what was remaining on AirTran lease agreement prior to us picking them up.

P.S. You probably miss a lot less than you think.
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
This is a example of how wrong the forum gets things. The bid that just closed in nov replaced those ER pilots in fact it replaced almost every single one. Around 94 awards were made. Add in the additional awards now and we may have added seats. The award is still available on delta net. The aug bid replaced many of the 747 captains who retired. The 330 was not back filled because of the lie flat mods.
I don't know, if you combine 7ER and 767 system wide off the August 2011 22D3 report and the one they just put with this AE we go from a combined 3,760 7ER/767 pilots to 3,496 7ER pilots according to that report. Seems like it's down. Even with the ebb and flow of awards on the 744, the two reports show -25 on 744 As and -32 on Bs and nearly the same with the 777 system wide.

If you look just at 7ER/767 Captains over the same two reports you're -135. And CVG was already closed then.

I'm not feeling as optimistic because that Aug11 22D3 report had us at 10,724 pilots and the new one is 10,491 pilots. Seems like they're wanting to or going the wrong way...

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Old 03-11-2013, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DeadHead
I'm sure they'll stick around longer than that. Perhaps 5 years is what was remaining on AirTran lease agreement prior to us picking them up.

P.S. You probably miss a lot less than you think.
Well wait a minute, isn't their a rumor American Eagle is getting some of the old AirTran 717s? I saw that on the regional forum.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Everybody I know has been moving backwards the last few years and the last three AEs have been the worst. You're the king of misrepresentation on this forum.
If you're MSP, MEM or DTW based then yes, it's been ugly.
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If you're MSP, MEM or DTW based then yes, it's been ugly.
You forgot ANC. Anyone see a common denominator?
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:32 AM
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You forgot ANC. Anyone see a common denominator?
I'm guessing "1+1=3" wasn't actually the truth.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
First, go look at the charts and statistics from TG 12-06 then tell me there isn't an actual implied hiring.

Second, that is a deceitful way to word it, especially since that wording was below those supporting statistics.....if that was in fact the intent. It is like a literal interpretation my children sometimes do when it works to their advantage.

I don't care if they hire or not. Just don't like being tricked.
It can be added that management sets a high ethical standard when it comes to the actions by the employees:
  • Steal wine off airplane - fired
  • Steal from lost & found - fired
  • Post a silly memo mocking Flight Ops - demoted & put on leave
  • Lie about almost anything - fired
  • Have a family member trade on inside info - more or less, fired
... and that is how it should be.

Mislead employees into voting for a contract which allows a big RJ order that is desired - pass without mention

Enough of us are country boys to know what this is; and we know not to follow too close, or inhale:


The best are equipped so you know what's being spread:


I never believed Steve Dickson (et.al.) statements when he made them, so it can not be said I relied on them to my detriment. Knowing this, I was still on the fence about C2012. There was a lot in there for the reserves, some marginal scope improvements and money sooner IS A LOT better than money later. I thought the hiring allusions were more than a little over the top then.

In the end, I voted NO.

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