Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-09-2013, 05:02 PM
meh
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I think your central problem is separating out what was a result of the TA and what wasn't. How many pilots posted their 12 month lookback on hours that were less than 200 for the year? How many guys have been talking about sitting on reserve and not flying for weeks? It certainly shouldn't have been any surprise to you that we were overstaffed by a good amount starting 2012. In January 2012 we had 1430 pilots over the minimum staffing formula. As a comparison, January 2007 we had 300 pilots over the min staffing formula. That overstaffing was before we even started negotiations. That overstaffing had nothing to do with the TA.
Also, it should not be a surprise that the poor economy in Europe that is causing a decrease in Atlantic flying is also not a result of the TA. We had well over a hundred (maybe close to 200) guys come back from military leave, that had nothing to do with the TA. The A-330's were scheduled to go to lie flat mods and that had nothing to do with the TA.
So you are trying to conflate everything negative about your career progression with the ratification of the TA. This is just a false argument.
These are the differences that occurred with the TA;
So you can rant all you want. If you want to blame the weather on the TA or SuperStorm Sandy or anything else you can. The problem is separating out independent and dependent events. Most on this forum simply lump all their problems, real or perceived, and then blame the TA for this. That is a false argument.
Also, it should not be a surprise that the poor economy in Europe that is causing a decrease in Atlantic flying is also not a result of the TA. We had well over a hundred (maybe close to 200) guys come back from military leave, that had nothing to do with the TA. The A-330's were scheduled to go to lie flat mods and that had nothing to do with the TA.
So you are trying to conflate everything negative about your career progression with the ratification of the TA. This is just a false argument.
These are the differences that occurred with the TA;
- Early out program that let about 200 pilots out early
- Work rule changes, some positive some negative, that cost about 125-150 jobs net
- Acceleration of 50 seat removals and addition of 717's (or other small narrow body) at a faster rate than without the TA
So you can rant all you want. If you want to blame the weather on the TA or SuperStorm Sandy or anything else you can. The problem is separating out independent and dependent events. Most on this forum simply lump all their problems, real or perceived, and then blame the TA for this. That is a false argument.
Anyways, we're both hoping for the same things and just arguing about angels on the head of a pin while we wait for those hopes to materialize. Without full access to both of us of all the data crew resources has, it's just two blind guys arguing about the heat they feel on their skin for half the day. You say it's a fire carried on a giant tortoises back as he walks across the horizon each day; I say its a giant ball of flame towed behind Apollo's chariot as he traverses the heavens. Neither of us is close to astro-mechanics of stars.
Of course, I'm much much closer in my guess than you are
03-09-2013, 05:04 PM
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You've written some poetic turns of phrase that have given me a chuckle before. I wouldn't assume to know your exact position of anything of substance, but I do know you like a good rhetorical idiom.
03-09-2013, 05:20 PM
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03-09-2013, 05:22 PM
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03-09-2013, 05:30 PM
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03-09-2013, 05:59 PM
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03-09-2013, 06:11 PM
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So I would assume a few more people bid the 717A than before. Maybe more so now from DTW and especially MSP looking at the chart above. There may be some who just say screw it, if they want everyone in ATL then I'll come to ATL too.
I for one am bidding 717A, but I'm only going if I'm in the top 10%.
After all, A/C is great, big screens, blah blah blah, yeah, I don't think it's going junior. Pilots like technology. 
03-09-2013, 06:16 PM
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I don't know if I'd ever recommend people having sex with green aliens.
Or mermaids. I saw that episode of Futurama where the guy falls in love and marrys a mermaid and then comes "the moment"...
Mermaid Mating - Video Clip | Comedy Central [please wait 30 seconds for weird violent video game commercial
Yeah, lesson learned there.
03-09-2013, 06:27 PM
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03-09-2013, 06:30 PM
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Anyone notice the latest Crew Resources Monthly Update has been pulled? Hmmmm.......
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