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Old 03-09-2013, 04:51 AM
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Except one's a widebody the other a narrowbody. Both are awesome. I'd be happy on either. The ride times would be vastly different tho.
You mean narrowbody like this?

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Old 03-09-2013, 04:51 AM
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I know... I have cat lists from random months and a couple of award postings, but I don't know where to find the 22D3 except in the AE postings, and they remove the old ones when the new one goes up.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:08 AM
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So no furlough, and in the left seat of the Airbus? Hell yeah! I'd be stoked too! But then there's the reality that I'll be lucky to be where you are about year 17 here. But sailing tells me it's all good and the guys I'm paying a nice portion of my paycheck have my best interests at heart, and nothing else, so I got that going for me. But yes, I could have spent my time and efforts toward another career, but I chose this one, so apparently I have to nod my head to the mantra that everything ALPA does is what is best; couldn't have been done any better, and ain't it grand that I'm so lucky?
The deadzoner you talk about also lost a retirement that was earned and accrued. Termination of the frozen retirement plan was the single largest giveback in the chapter 11 process. Nothing else was even close in terms of dollars. The majority of that giveback came from the top 4000 pilots. The entire decade was a disaster and not just for airlines but almost everyone. In case you missed that era most are now calling it The Lost Decade. In terms of where we were and where we could have ended up things turned out far better then I would have ever guessed in 2005. I made my plans for a future without Delta and went forward with the plan. Turned out I did not need it. Many on the forum here complain about anything and everything yet make no effort to change their circumstances if they are so unhappy. Makes me think that much of what they post they don't believe or they have another agenda.
Things are getting better fast, 200 more Captains positions at Delta in the last 8 months even after shutting the DC9 operation down early. RFP out yesterday for a short term widebody order. RFP out a month ago to increase the narrow body order from 100 to 130. More bids coming out this year with more Captains slots. The company put out a business plan when the contract was inked. On this forum it was stated over and over again it was all BS and the airplanes would never come. So far the company has followed what they put out to the letter on the fleet plan and now just 9 weeks after the contract amendable date they are talking about significant additions to the fleet not even planned last June.
I think things are looking up. You can think what you want however you should believe in what you think.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:21 AM
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The deadzoner you talk about also lost a retirement that was earned and accrued. Termination of the frozen retirement plan was the single largest giveback in the chapter 11 process. Nothing else was even close in terms of dollars. The majority of that giveback came from the top 4000 pilots. The entire decade was a disaster and not just for airlines but almost everyone. In case you missed that era most are now calling it The Lost Decade. In terms of where we were and where we could have ended up things turned out far better then I would have ever guessed in 2005. I made my plans for a future without Delta and went forward with the plan. Turned out I did not need it. Many on the forum here complain about anything and everything yet make no effort to change their circumstances if they are so unhappy. Makes me think that much of what they post they don't believe or they have another agenda.
Things are getting better fast, 200 more Captains positions at Delta in the last 8 months even after shutting the DC9 operation down early. RFP out yesterday for a short term widebody order. RFP out a month ago to increase the narrow body order from 100 to 130. More bids coming out this year with more Captains slots. The company put out a business plan when the contract was inked. On this forum it was stated over and over again it was all BS and the airplanes would never come. So far the company has followed what they put out to the letter on the fleet plan and now just 9 weeks after the contract amendable date they are talking about significant additions to the fleet not even planned last June.
I think things are looking up. You can think what you want however you should believe in what you think.

By "short term WB order" do you mean near future delivery? Rapid arrival of growth WBs would be a breath of fresh air. I'm just curious as to how Delta's investors would react. It seems they're extremely happy with the "capacity discipline" plan.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
By "short term WB order" do you mean near future delivery? Rapid arrival of growth WBs would be a breath of fresh air. I'm just curious as to how Delta's investors would react. It seems they're extremely happy with the "capacity discipline" plan.
They will spin it to the investors just like everything else. Call it a replacement order ect...
P.S. It appears they are not discussing 747's. That really leaves only 2 choices and I suspect the pick will also tie into the 30 narrow body aircraft they are looking for.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
P.S. It appears they are not discussing 747's. That really leaves only 2 choices and I suspect the pick will also tie into the 30 narrow body aircraft they are looking for.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Such is the life getting hired at a legacy in 2007. Count your blessings, at least your career is stagnating at a career legacy, and no matter how bad it is with Delta AEs, you're still employed and so far better off than anyone else in the regionals, LCCs, and other legacies.
I was hired in '08 - I'm very happy to be here at Delta, it's a great place to work. I think some of the angst from people of our "Delta generation" is that some of the other posters here are talking about how great the AEs are and how we're succeeding careerwise - but the junior pilots aren't seeing that. Personally, I'm like 80 and moving back in my category and constantly worried about displacement. Also, I earned less in 2012 than I did in 2011 (and that's with the contract improvements!)

Now, I will say we've weathered a significant problems with the economy that allowed profit sharing and no furloughs. I just wish that some of the rosy views from Sailing and others would come true and we'd make more money than a previous year and not go backward in category or get displaced.
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Old 03-09-2013, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
That's outdated technology! Here's something that might work. I think there are lots available:

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Old 03-09-2013, 05:59 AM
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What in the he LL is that ugly looking thing?
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