Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-08-2013, 09:57 AM
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03-08-2013, 09:59 AM
Da Hudge
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This bid is going to be a training department nightmare with all these displacements. I'm running the math now- It looks like this is a major shift from higher paying widebody to narrowbody.
03-08-2013, 10:04 AM
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From an earlier post by Sailing:
The union and the company both costed the jobs out at almost the same number. The company has looked at the contract and the coming FTDT changes and plans zero adjustments in how they man the airline.
You state we have lost as many as 1000 jobs. Where are the massive displacements to support your numbers? The last two bids had a substantial net increase in Captains jobs. The bid to be posted next month should have a net increase in Captains of well over 100 jobs. How do you explain that if your numbers are even remotely right? Put some numbers up, show us where you get 1000 or more jobs lost.
The union and the company both costed the jobs out at almost the same number. The company has looked at the contract and the coming FTDT changes and plans zero adjustments in how they man the airline.
You state we have lost as many as 1000 jobs. Where are the massive displacements to support your numbers? The last two bids had a substantial net increase in Captains jobs. The bid to be posted next month should have a net increase in Captains of well over 100 jobs. How do you explain that if your numbers are even remotely right? Put some numbers up, show us where you get 1000 or more jobs lost.
Well over 100 new Captain jobs 'eh Sailingfun?
Just MSP??? How about it sucks to be a FO anywhere at DAL, just like it has sucked for the last 13 years.
A-frikken-men
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03-08-2013, 10:06 AM
Line Holder
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"Not impressed. 5 of those years were stolen. He should have retired at 60 like all those before him. It's hard to celebrate the stagnation caused by guys like "
wonder if it was a smart move to pass up $1.5million 7 years ago,knowing what he knows now?
wonder if it was a smart move to pass up $1.5million 7 years ago,knowing what he knows now?
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03-08-2013, 10:09 AM
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Looks like I'll be displaced to ATL 717B. Maybe I'll be able to hold a line. Hopefully I'll have some time off.
Any predictions regarding when MSP will close? I'm moving there anyway.
Any predictions regarding when MSP will close? I'm moving there anyway.
03-08-2013, 10:18 AM
Da Hudge
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Ok, quick math... likely a couple errors, but here goes:
ATL
Net:
A=+98
B= -22
Widebody:
A= 0
B= -76
Narrowbody
A= +98
B= +54
DTW
Net:
A= -16
B=-14
Widebody:
A=0
B= +13
Narrowbody:
A= -16
B=-27
LAX
Net:
A=+2
B= +7
Widebody
A= +2
B= +2
Narrowbody
A= 0
B= +5
NYC
Net:
A= +15
B= +12
Widebody
A= 0
B= -3
Narrowbody
A= +15
B= +15
MSP
Narrowbody/Net:
A= -27
B= -50
SEA
Widebody/Net:
A= -4
B= +5
SLC
Narrowbody/Net:
A= +5
B= -4
Total:
Widebody
A= -2
B= -59
Narrowbody:
A=+75
B= -7
ATL
Net:
A=+98
B= -22
Widebody:
A= 0
B= -76
Narrowbody
A= +98
B= +54
DTW
Net:
A= -16
B=-14
Widebody:
A=0
B= +13
Narrowbody:
A= -16
B=-27
LAX
Net:
A=+2
B= +7
Widebody
A= +2
B= +2
Narrowbody
A= 0
B= +5
NYC
Net:
A= +15
B= +12
Widebody
A= 0
B= -3
Narrowbody
A= +15
B= +15
MSP
Narrowbody/Net:
A= -27
B= -50
SEA
Widebody/Net:
A= -4
B= +5
SLC
Narrowbody/Net:
A= +5
B= -4
Total:
Widebody
A= -2
B= -59
Narrowbody:
A=+75
B= -7
03-08-2013, 10:27 AM
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the 5 most shocking...
DTW330CAPT 20
ATL777F/O 15
SEA330CAPT 9
MSP320CAPT 11
MSPM88CAPT 16
Wonder how many MSP guys will go to the 55 DTW73N positions,or will they go to the 145 ATL717s?
Poor Msp guys. First they said CVG and MEM can't coexist.They basically eliminated those two and now they're killing MSP?? don't get it.
DTW330CAPT 20
ATL777F/O 15
SEA330CAPT 9
MSP320CAPT 11
MSPM88CAPT 16
Wonder how many MSP guys will go to the 55 DTW73N positions,or will they go to the 145 ATL717s?
Poor Msp guys. First they said CVG and MEM can't coexist.They basically eliminated those two and now they're killing MSP?? don't get it.
As a refugee from MIA, BOS, and CVG, I feel their pain. What we are seeing now is pretty much an extension of Richard's "Capacity Restraint" program, now being applied to crew members and bases.
03-08-2013, 10:28 AM
Da Hudge
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Congrats to Capt. Flannigan on completing his career at Delta today! What a true class act he is. May his retirement years be as successful and positive as his career here.
03-08-2013, 10:29 AM
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The hand was given away when, during the merge, it was announced that MSP would always have the same level of service with 76 seaters or larger. Anyone who read that loaded statement correctly will not be surprised when the only mainline flying out of MSP in a few more years will be routes that simply need a mainline A/C for range reasons, plus very dense segments such as ATL, LAX, SFO, SEA, DTW, NYC, and a couple others. But due to the new scope there will be no need for mainline to ORD, OMA, PHL, DEN, etc.
Last edited by contrails; 03-08-2013 at 10:46 AM.
03-08-2013, 10:29 AM
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- +9 for international WBs excluding 7ER,
- -30 for the 767/7ER,
- +78 for domestic 737/320/89/717/DC9,
- +116 for ATL
- -30 for DTW
- +19 for LAX
- -77 for MSP
- +27 for NYC
- +1 for SEA
- +1 for SLC
Of course that doesn't really tell the whole story though. If you add up all of the non 717 categories, we're displacing a net of 233 pilots. Or -233 pilots. By adding 290 717 slots we've got a net gain of 57.
In ATL alone, we're going to be -47 As and -127 Bs in non 717 categories. Basically, we're displacing out of higher categories down to the 717.
Is that math right? I'm not sure.
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