Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-06-2013, 06:13 PM
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FTB.... Thank you for defending corporate aircraft. I'm not here to say that all biz jets are used for just business purposes, but ours is used for that 90% of the time. I say 90% because we do some personal trips for our top few execs. Our company and most others use them as business tools. A lot of deals get sealed in the back that probably wouldn't on an airline. Also, the flexibility that we have with them is incredible. Our pax can be late and know their flight is there for them. Our guys work extremely hard and really appreciate the extra time they get not sitting in a security line or airline terminal. As far as costs go I can assure you we spend WAY more than our share than what is written off. Corp aircraft support a ton of other jobs than just the "fat cat CEO's" (as our potus calls them). There have been a lot of great corp jobs go the wayside the last 5 years and I'm sure there will be more. As far as security goes, it is more secure to travel on your own aircraft. Who knows who is sitting next to you in first class that is eavesdropping as you are trying to seal the deal with a potential client you are seated next to you. Don't hate too much on us corp guys...... We all want to see all professional flying careers earn more money, improve in quality of life, and increase in job security.
Disclaimer- I can see the writing on the wall and can easily see my company (Atlanta based) scrap the planes and go back to all employees travel on airlines. So, I'm hoping Ma Delta comes calling my name one day. I'd love to be a part of it and have more than just a few guys below me in the pecking order. Until then, if you see a blip on the tcas screen in the mid 40's that might be fisherpilot trying to get out of the way of you big boys
Disclaimer- I can see the writing on the wall and can easily see my company (Atlanta based) scrap the planes and go back to all employees travel on airlines. So, I'm hoping Ma Delta comes calling my name one day. I'd love to be a part of it and have more than just a few guys below me in the pecking order. Until then, if you see a blip on the tcas screen in the mid 40's that might be fisherpilot trying to get out of the way of you big boys
03-06-2013, 06:14 PM
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Bingo-I mentioned the taxes in the fuel. Adding user fees will no doubt inspire an AirRS division of the IRS.
03-06-2013, 06:19 PM
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No, they're not. Same reason that the ACLU, Media Matters, Ford Foundation, any number of other "community" service organizations are tax exempt also. Churches are "not for profit." Ergo, they are tax exempt.
03-06-2013, 06:33 PM
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03-06-2013, 06:41 PM
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But that would never happen in America. And then be publicized. 
03-06-2013, 06:43 PM
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03-06-2013, 06:50 PM
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Another issue in this bid is the DC-9. The pilots displaced off the nine can't really be used to fund the 717 flying since they start flying in Sep and the nines will be around at least through Feb of next year unless something changes. That is one of the reasons that flight ops wanted to hire 100 to 150 pilots this winter. They were not approved for funding the additional bodies. Adding those pilots would have really smoothed out the training flow. Now they face pilots displacing into the 717 and then bidding right out as we finally start to see significant upward movement with the block hour shift to the mainline. Carry the FO surplus a bit longer in existing aircraft while putting new hires into the 717 would really have simplified the training pipeline.
I think its a long shot at the moment but I understand that depending on the number of training events generate by this bid they might still consider a small summer hiring option to as I mentioned reduce training if they can sell it on a cost basis.
I think its a long shot at the moment but I understand that depending on the number of training events generate by this bid they might still consider a small summer hiring option to as I mentioned reduce training if they can sell it on a cost basis.
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03-06-2013, 07:10 PM
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Most of those DTW DC9A's are still too junior to hold 320 let alone 73N. Smart money would be for them to open a 717 base in DTW on this bid as well, and train and bench them just like they will in ATL until aircraft show up. With 53 DC9 crews leaving and only 20 73N arriving many of those DC9 A's who want to remain in base could bid WB F/O, with resultant waterfall MD's. I keep hearing that because it's a 365 day bid that many will get DTW 717 on the subsequent bid and never train on the first MD, but that assumes they will delay training on all those aircraft they'll MD into as well as the resultant surpluses that trickle down. If that's the case why even bother and just not open the DTW 717 now? Seems like there is a more direct path to their desired end state, especially as pilots have not historically bid as predicted. A real monkey wrench in the 717 staffing would be if a bunch of DTW DC9 A's decided to MD to ATL and then take the move back when DTW opens.
03-06-2013, 07:12 PM
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03-06-2013, 07:29 PM
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Re: 747-400 vs 777-300
Norwegian was banking on the 787 and built its network plans around the new jet.
So now they are scrambling for a replacement and have sourced 2 used 340-300 leased from Boeing
Plugging in typical lease rates and fuel burn, at a 90% load factor, the monthly fuel+lease costs favor the A340-300 by $300,000/month.
I'm certain similar modeling would favor the 747-400 over the 777-300 at Delta in particular after factoring in the fuel cost margin afforded by Monroe and the existing MX support for that type...
Aeroturbopower: Norwegian A340-300 vs 787-8 analysis
Cheers
George
Norwegian was banking on the 787 and built its network plans around the new jet.
So now they are scrambling for a replacement and have sourced 2 used 340-300 leased from Boeing
Plugging in typical lease rates and fuel burn, at a 90% load factor, the monthly fuel+lease costs favor the A340-300 by $300,000/month.
I'm certain similar modeling would favor the 747-400 over the 777-300 at Delta in particular after factoring in the fuel cost margin afforded by Monroe and the existing MX support for that type...
Aeroturbopower: Norwegian A340-300 vs 787-8 analysis
Cheers
George
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