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Old 03-05-2013, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by LOBO
Here's an interesting tidbit from the new regs.

I read this as I want to check my schedule as soon as I can so my duty day starts. Or that we will never have to check our schedule and the schedulers will call us.


A4A asked whether a requirement in the collective bargaining agreement to check a schedule or calendar, or to acknowledge a trip assignment, is considered duty.
Section 117.3 defines duty as ‘‘any task that a flightcrew member performs as required by the certificate holder
* * *’’ Thus, if a certificate holder requires that a flightcrew member check a schedule or calendar, or acknowledge a trip assignment, then the flightcrew member’s compliance with that requirement would be considered duty. The collective bargaining agreement has no impact on this analysis, as this agreement simply provides the legal basis for the certificate holder to require a flightcrew member to perform certain actions
Yep. That could get very interesting especially if we try to run too lean.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Schwanker
No. I'm not aware of any Delta guys with apps in at UAL, but odds are there will be some.
No one at DL now is under 3rd year pay. I doubt bases alone would drive someone to take that plunge. If we furloughed sure, and maybe in the future with new hires on first year pay but not now.
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Old 03-05-2013, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
If that's the case then Delta better get ready for some competition. We're getting back to the days when qualified pilots will have three offers from different companies.

This is great news for guys trying to get hired. Options.

If they want to fly for UCAL they can get hired right into mainline.

If they want to fly for DAL they can apply to one of numerous bottom feeding DCI carriers who compete solely on cost, Errr I mean compensation, oops same thing.

To be fair if they want to fly for DAL and be at a mainline carrier they can also apply at: Virgin, KLM, Korean, Virgin Atlantic etc. Sorry if I missed anyone.

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Old 03-05-2013, 03:59 PM
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"Also, there seems to be another indication of troubles in Delta’s vertical-integration strategy of purchasing a refinery as a fuel hedge. The ex-oil-trader-turned-Delta-VP-of-Fuel, Jon Ruggles, left the company quite abruptly late last year. Ruggles, a key person behind the Trainer refinery deal, was hired away from Merrill Lynch less than a year ago to head Delta’s trading operation. Rumor has it that Ruggles' exit from Delta was somehow related to losses at the Trainer plant."

Delta Airlines Got an Oil Refinery: The Math Does Not Work | EconMatters

"The man who from all accounts was central to that deal getting done was Jon Ruggles, a former trader who headed Delta’s jet purchasing. At the Philadelphia press conference announcing the deal, Ruggles was up at the front, along with the political dignitaries from the city and state, along with the the airline’s senior management.

And now he’s gone.

As Platts’ Matt Kohlman reported Friday, Ruggles has left Delta for unknown reasons. A Delta spokesman confirmed his departure without elaborating as to the reasons."

The man who drove the Trainer acquisition has left Delta Airlines « The Barrel Blog
Similar thing happened 3 or 4 years ago with Delta hiring the world's best cargo guru, then he suddenly left as well?
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Yep. That could get very interesting especially if we try to run too lean.
There are some very interesting implications from the 117 interpretation.

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Old 03-05-2013, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop

To be fair if they want to fly for DAL and be at a mainline carrier they can also apply at: Virgin, KLM, Korean, Virgin Atlantic etc. Sorry if I missed anyone.

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That's mean.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:41 PM
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If anyone wants to come to my house and shoot me, feel free. Now that the kids are in bed I'm going to try and hang a microwave.
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Old 03-05-2013, 04:52 PM
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If anyone wants to come to my house and shoot me, feel free. Now that the kids are in bed I'm going to try and hang a microwave.
Would you mind attaching a recommendation to my app first?

Ah hell, never mind. I'll be right over.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:31 PM
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profit. Something was strange about ruggles departure as well, but that seems to be finally coming out as well.
Oh, I agree...the refinery was a brilliant move and will make a boatload of cash. I just brought up the negative article because it had a reference to Ruggles.
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Old 03-05-2013, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by LOBO
Here's an interesting tidbit from the new regs.

I read this as I want to check my schedule as soon as I can so my duty day starts. Or that we will never have to check our schedule and the schedulers will call us.


A4A asked whether a requirement in the collective bargaining agreement to check a schedule or calendar, or to acknowledge a trip assignment, is considered duty.
Section 117.3 defines duty as ‘‘any task that a flightcrew member performs as required by the certificate holder
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It says CBA REQUIREMENT to check your schedule. You can check it all day long on your own time, but if the company didn't require you to check it, the only duty day clock you have started is the one on your Casio calculator wristwatch.
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