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Old 03-03-2013, 06:42 AM
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Well, someone better tell Alaska, because they've been operating them for years.

Aircraft Information 737-400 Combi - Alaska Airlines
I stand somewhat corrected. They have been operating combis with the PAX behind the cargo. Not sure how you would do that with a 747-400. Do you lose the upper deck. Just asking?
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I stand somewhat corrected. They have been operating combis with the PAX behind the cargo. Not sure how you would do that with a 747-400. Do you lose the upper deck. Just asking?

In the late 80s/early 90s I worked the ramp in CLT. We contracted with Lufthansa to turn their 747 combis that came in 3 days a week. IIRC the last half of the jet was cargo. So you had the traditional First Class up top.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
I stand somewhat corrected. They have been operating combis with the PAX behind the cargo. Not sure how you would do that with a 747-400. Do you lose the upper deck. Just asking?
Obviously not an American carrier but here is KLM 744 Combi from seatguru.com. I've seen these in IAH.



I don't know if AF has them but just think of the horse meat you could put back there. ( that's what the CAL rampers said they loaded into the AF jets)
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:53 AM
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That last cargo pallet looks a little caddywhompus. Must be a Douglas design.
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A South African 747 combi had a nasty cargo fire that led to a crash in the Indian Ocean back in the 1987. Some of the rules were changed to add more fire-fighting equipment which added weight which, in turn made combis less economical.

Interesting story...google SAA 295.
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It does seem like I remember some FAR that said the cargo had to be forward of the PAX but I guess those foreign airlines don't have to comply with U.S. rules to fly into the U.S.?
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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
It does seem like I remember some FAR that said the cargo had to be forward of the PAX but I guess those foreign airlines don't have to comply with U.S. rules to fly into the U.S.?
When cargo is put between the pilots and the passengers, cargo nets become hammocks.

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Originally Posted by XtremeF150
It does seem like I remember some FAR that said the cargo had to be forward of the PAX but I guess those foreign airlines don't have to comply with U.S. rules to fly into the U.S.?

Ha ha...

I knew studying for the FE written would pay off at some point. (at least I think I remember -cargo forward of pax- being subject matter on the FE written)
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Unde the old contract you were never full at 70. You were full at the ALV every single month. New contract you are now full at the reseve guarantee. The average pilot at Delta has 6 plus known absences a year. If the ALV is 77 your now full at 75 hours verses 77 on the old contract. If you have a week of vacation your now full at 54:15 vice 77 in the old contract. Alv15 and other changes will cost us jobs. Other changes gained jobs the net effect will be less then 150 jobs system wide.
You're right it was ALV.



And yes ALV-2 but min of 72 and capped at 80 is the reserve guarantee. You can still fly to ALV+15 and in a month with a 84 ALV that means a reserve can fly to 99 hours. Right?

99 hours. That's a lot.

Now as to how many jobs this cut, if we were gaining jobs through the TA why in these investors calls are they saying the higher pilot pay through greater proficiency? Proficiency doesn't seem to be more pilots doing the same amount of flying.
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