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Old 03-03-2013, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer
It was asinine to agree to this. At the very least, if DALPA was going to push changes in reserve (on behalf of the company) why not adopt Alaska pilot rules?

Bid short call for the month. Guarantee 79 hours
Bid long call for the month. Guarantee 75 hours. On long call you can be converted to short call a maximum of 4 times. The first time you add 2 hours to your guarantee. The second through fourth you add 3 more hours to your guarantee for a total 79 hour guaranteed hours of pay. You might still only fly 30 hours for the month and guaranteed 79 hours pay.
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The good news is if we ever merge with Alaska, DALPA will insist on keeping the worst of both company policies to help the company out and leave loopholes because our high powered attorneys thought using the word "may" shouldn't be a problem.
How many aircraft types does Alaska have? How many bases does Alaska have? Huge differences between the two airlines and depending on the ratio of long to short call lines it appears they keep a lot more pilots on shortcall.
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBojangles
I agree..so many people failed to realize how much this ALV+15 nonsense would affect us. Either that or they were just greedy.
You guys really need to get on the phone with the company. They don't know what you know and are keeping the staffing assumptions the same. Most Captains categories were staffed about where the company wanted when the contract was signed. If what everyone on here posted is correct there would have been huge displacements on the last two bids. The next bid should be out in days and based on what your posting here the company should be able to cover every single new Captains seat with displacements. Damn, I had hoped for 100 plus new Captains on this bid. Sad that its not going to happen.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill
I get sick all the time, and after over 2 decades of going to flight docs every single time there is STILL not a good reason they can give me for why I get sinus infections.
I was exactly like you for decades. Then I found an awesome ENT in Newnan. He actually told me to only do the surgery as a last resort.

He has me taking a claritin everyday. Also, at the very first sign of anything sinus/cold related, I take a mucinex-d in the am. Last, I lay on the bed with my head upside down and do a sinus rinse with alkolol using a baby squeeze syringe. I do the rinse again at bedtime. I repeat the mucinex/alkolol for the next couple of days, as long as even the smallest symptom remains. (Alkolol is non-prescription, but must ask pharmacist for the bottle.)

Doing the above, I have gone from 4-5 major sinus infections/yr to 1 or less.

Good luck.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:03 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
If you're on weekend reserve, you're stuck there anyways. Nobody is moving around here anyways.

But this is the thing for me, we used to cap out at 70 hours but now in my category this month you can go to 91 this month. Weekend fliers tend to fly every week until they were capped, but now that cap is near impossible to exceed.

What I am saying is if we can live with 50 pilots M-F, we can live with 50 on the weekend. Bring staffing up. They can hire. Personally I'd rather see every category above me need more pilots instead of getting by on GSs and WSs. But I guess I'm kind of pro Bow Wave.



I'm with Doug.

Is being paid ALV-2 better than being paid 70 hours? Sure. Does it screw me over in the long term? Absolutely. Because while being paid 74 hours on the 88 is nice it's not worth having the involuntary ALV+15 system (fewer pilots in every category) given I could make more money flying the 73N with a 70 hour cap.
Unde the old contract you were never full at 70. You were full at the ALV every single month. New contract you are now full at the reseve guarantee. The average pilot at Delta has 6 plus known absences a year. If the ALV is 77 your now full at 75 hours verses 77 on the old contract. If you have a week of vacation your now full at 54:15 vice 77 in the old contract. Alv15 and other changes will cost us jobs. Other changes gained jobs the net effect will be less then 150 jobs system wide.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Roadkill

There is a reason the sick hours are in the hundreds, and it's because many people get sick particularly as they get older or have young kids bringing home germs from school. I'd trade getting routine coughs and sinus problems with you in an instant, even if I had to take being naively arrogant about my youthful health ... though I'd hope not to be so foolish in assuming everyone else had my great good fortune or were scheming liars.

None of the above is any indication of my thoughts on the actual new contract, so pls don't misconstrue... I do think this new verbage is worse than what existed before, mostly for hypothetical antagonistic situations that I think contract language should be evaluated under--for this reason I agree with Purple Drank here. Yeah, I think it is probably workable and ok as is, but will NOT protect in those conceivable extremes (which is when contract language like this really comes into play, so it's pointless to evaluate it under normal "healthy" conditions). My point, SailorJerry, is that you seem to evaluate this intelligently and are eloquent on it... but I perceive a mistaken assumption in your writing that I don't think you even notice.
See that's the issue. You assume that everyone that calls in sick is like you. I assume that most people that call in sick are sick, but some that call in sick, are not sick. I don't see how that's anything but arrogance on your part. The new sick rules give you every opportunity to use every hour of your sick leave with a developed, private rapport with your CPO. If you get sick a lot, don't stick your head in a hole and think its no one's business.

The issue at hand is the mechanism to protect the company from the abuser. Not you, not me.

You make some incredibly arrogant and blind claims on my "youthful" health, and how "great" it is, and while HIPAA laws prohibit you from ever knowing the truth, I honestly LAUGHED OUT LOUD at your sniffles. Get a neti pot and a doctors note on file with the CPO that says you have chronic sinusitis and burn every sick hour you want. Your propensity towards secrecy is the reason, however, that the company feels the need to protect itself. The new system allows you to be left alone, while the guy who's Facebook Friends with the CP who posts a picture of himself on a far away beach on a sick day gets fired.

I make no mistake on this issue. I know it and understand it well, and its abuse is present in the vast MINORITY. My argument being that's why the language exists. Hopefully NO ONE abuses more than 100 hours of sick leave per year - even though, now they can - as long as they aren't rocking out with their band on YouTube on day three of their 5 day. I see nothing concessionary or inadequate about that, nor anything concessionary or inadequate about our own individual situations.

Ed Note: An arrogant thing to say about this would be "Do all of you FPL haters post on sick leave? What's the difference?" Or "No one ever gets sick. That's absurd. Be sick on your days off" I don't recall ever casting a blanket on this mostly honorable and honest pilot group. But I did directly state that absurd, however rare, happens.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun

Unde the old contract you were never full at 70. You were full at the ALV every single month. New contract you are now full at the reseve guarantee. The average pilot at Delta has 6 plus known absences a year. If the ALV is 77 your now full at 75 hours verses 77 on the old contract. If you have a week of vacation your now full at 54:15 vice 77 in the old contract. Alv15 and other changes will cost us jobs. Other changes gained jobs the net effect will be less then 150 jobs system wide.
So what you're saying (that no one apparently wants to hear) is that we were really carrying a couple hundred too many heads, that the company didn't furlough, and the early out program offset the calculated net effect on jobs and we still have need to burn off the surplus?
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:45 AM
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When it comes to reserves and weekend staffing, you guys really need to think through this a little more. Pilots complain like crazy about not being able to swap, drop etc because of reserve coverage, so the formula is changed to a more realistic number which means that the first day the schedules are released that there is a much great chance of being able to do something with a weekend trip or on call day. So, during the first pcs run pilots start working to get weekends off that have excess reserve coverage and you end up with some fat days during the week and what should be even numbers on the weekend (up until misc trps are dropped, created etc) which prevents further pcs changes for the most part.

Are people actually proposing that we keep reserve coverage higher on the weekends so that pilots can't pd, swap etc so a pilot that is on reserve may not be as likely to fly on his on call days? Really?
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
When it comes to reserves and weekend staffing, you guys really need to think through this a little more. Pilots complain like crazy about not being able to swap, drop etc because of reserve coverage, so the formula is changed to a more realistic number which means that the first day the schedules are released that there is a much great chance of being able to do something with a weekend trip or on call day. So, during the first pcs run pilots start working to get weekends off that have excess reserve coverage and you end up with some fat days during the week and what should be even numbers on the weekend (up until misc trps are dropped, created etc) which prevents further pcs changes for the most part.

Are people actually proposing that we keep reserve coverage higher on the weekends so that pilots can't pd, swap etc so a pilot that is on reserve may not be as likely to fly on his on call days? Really?
Classic example of never being able to please some people. Several years back there were big complaints about the company having to many reserves on the weekends. We fix that contractually and now others complain.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Classic example of never being able to please some people. Several years back there were big complaints about the company having to many reserves on the weekends. We fix that contractually and now others complain.
Pilots. Nuff said. Pilots.
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Old 03-03-2013, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by RonRicco
When it comes to reserves and weekend staffing, you guys really need to think through this a little more. Pilots complain like crazy about not being able to swap, drop etc because of reserve coverage, so the formula is changed to a more realistic number which means that the first day the schedules are released that there is a much great chance of being able to do something with a weekend trip or on call day. So, during the first pcs run pilots start working to get weekends off that have excess reserve coverage and you end up with some fat days during the week and what should be even numbers on the weekend (up until misc trps are dropped, created etc) which prevents further pcs changes for the most part.

Are people actually proposing that we keep reserve coverage higher on the weekends so that pilots can't pd, swap etc so a pilot that is on reserve may not be as likely to fly on his on call days? Really?
We're saying staff the airline with something other than GSs, like pilots.

GS's are one thing in IROPS or we are hiring, using it every weekend is another. In my category, every Saturday and Sunday this month is below required staffing and it's only the 3rd. A year or so ago you could get those guys from the weekdays to cover it but now they cut reserves by 20% overall (since January and despite a jump in the ALV) so they're really are not any guys to borrow.

Meanwhile, they say the category is overstaffed and they want pilots to leave. I don't doubt they're telling the truth. My question is just how few pilots do they want to run a category like ATL M88 with? Is this a sign of how they will be able to run things going forward?


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