Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
03-02-2013, 07:47 AM
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Yeah, it's a great deal for the senior fat cats getting the GS's. For the the junior guys sitting reserve over the weekend it pretty much sucks because you know you're going to get used or put on SC. 
Sorry if I'm not thrilled about seeing GS's going out to the senior line holders while at the same time I'm maxing out on SC's and RAW because there is less than minimal weekend coverage.
Sorry if I'm not thrilled about seeing GS's going out to the senior line holders while at the same time I'm maxing out on SC's and RAW because there is less than minimal weekend coverage.
03-02-2013, 07:48 AM
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Yeah, it's a great deal for the senior fat cats getting the GS's. For the the junior guys sitting reserve over the weekend it pretty much sucks because you know you're going to get used or put on SC. Sorry if I'm not thrilled about seeing GS's going out to the senior line holders while at the same time I'm maxing out on SC's and RAW because there is less than minimal weekend coverage.
Sorry if I'm not thrilled about seeing GS's going out to the senior line holders while at the same time I'm maxing out on SC's and RAW because there is less than minimal weekend coverage.Put it this way, in my new hire class they brought someone in from scheduling to give us a tutorial on GSs and how in particular this one SLC 88 A was scoring a 140-160 hours of pay per month. They showed you how rolling thunder worked. Note they didn't come in and say, "yeah, GS pay is where we have to pay you double time. It was a concession on our part, we hate it, and we're going to make sure you don't know how it works. Thanks. Next subject..."
03-02-2013, 08:06 AM
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Don't get me wrong, I hold weekends off no problem, but recently I've been able to hold holidays off (Christmas in particular) without really moving up and it's probably because of the changes in reserves required formula. But when you look at the weekends and almost every weekend since 2011 and see 0 reserves and GSs going out, something's not right. I'll paraphrase the change:
The rocking new formula is neatly comprised of three awesome variables: (1) the number of scheduled duty periods on a given day, (2) whether the day in question is a weekday or weekend, and (3) whether the bid month is a summer or non-summer month. Additionally, the current rotations (which probably should just be called trips) in open time and a buffer are applied to determine the reserves required number. The number of "save the day" reserves available on a given day will now equal the number of unassigned reserve pilots on call for the entire day, without regard to the amount of open time on that day.
03-02-2013, 08:10 AM
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They can't ever get into your medical records unless they are the ones paying for the visit. Even a physician is smart enough to not put any unnecessary information on a note. All a verification from a physician has to say is "I examined so and so on this date. He will be eligible for work again on this date".
Don't be fooled into thinking they can just call the doctors office and ask. Docs carry malpractice insurance for more than ODing babies and cutting off the wrong leg.
So what makes you think they have access to our medical records?
Don't be fooled into thinking they can just call the doctors office and ask. Docs carry malpractice insurance for more than ODing babies and cutting off the wrong leg.
So what makes you think they have access to our medical records?
They don't have unfettered access without consent--but we are contractually obligated to grant them access. The end result is the same--the company can get access to our health records.
It doesn't say ANYTHING about limiting their access to records from only company-procured providers. If they want records from your doctor, you are obligated to sign a release. And the doctor would be absolved of any "malpractice" claims since he has a release.
Read it and tell me again management doesn't have access (or can't obtain access) to our medical records.
G. Medical Release Requirement
A pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information(release), provided the release is limited to:
1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave,
2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and
3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director–Health Services and the Senior Vice-President of Flight Operations.
A pilot who is required to verify his sickness under Section 14 F. 4. may be required to provide the Company with a written authorization for release of medical information(release), provided the release is limited to:
1. the specific sickness for which the pilot claimed sick leave,
2. the day(s) on which the pilot claimed sick leave and the consecutive day(s) off immediately preceding and succeeding the day(s) on which a pilot claimed sick leave, and
3. a Company designated doctor or other health care professional(s) and the Director–Health Services and the Senior Vice-President of Flight Operations.
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03-02-2013, 08:15 AM
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I agree, but I'll go back to the previous analogy, just because the 777 is rolling in GS doesn't mean that's a good thing for everyone else. Let's have more slots and fewer GSs, no matter what the category.
Put it this way, in my new hire class they brought someone in from scheduling to give us a tutorial on GSs and how in particular this one SLC 88 A was scoring a 140-160 hours of pay per month. They showed you how rolling thunder worked. Note they didn't come in and say, "yeah, GS pay is where we have to pay you double time. It was a concession on our part, we hate it, and we're going to make sure you don't know how it works. Thanks. Next subject..."
Put it this way, in my new hire class they brought someone in from scheduling to give us a tutorial on GSs and how in particular this one SLC 88 A was scoring a 140-160 hours of pay per month. They showed you how rolling thunder worked. Note they didn't come in and say, "yeah, GS pay is where we have to pay you double time. It was a concession on our part, we hate it, and we're going to make sure you don't know how it works. Thanks. Next subject..."
I've flown with that captain and he's actually a good guy – in fact he was among a group of pilots Delta sued unsuccessfully for not flying extra.
Cheers
George
03-02-2013, 08:21 AM
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Just to stir the pot--apparantly it was a 3 way deal with Boeing, Cathay and Air China. Boeing walked away with 4 Cathy 747-400's and 7 Air China 747-400's. 4+7=?? It's a number we have heard before (high five Carl).
The catch? They are 747-400 BCF'S. I cannot see Delta wanting anything to do with 11 used freighters
Boeing Secures Air China Orders for Beleaguered 747-8 Aircraft - Bloomberg
The catch? They are 747-400 BCF'S. I cannot see Delta wanting anything to do with 11 used freighters
Boeing Secures Air China Orders for Beleaguered 747-8 Aircraft - Bloomberg
Id does show to what lengths Boeing will go to move inventory in light of the drag the 787 and 748 programs are putting on the company...
Maybe we can get the Air China 4:1 deal exchanging 739s orders for 773s...
Cheers
George
03-02-2013, 08:25 AM
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Trips for April loaded into NYC 7ERB open time. LOTS of trips covering ATL flying. Hmmmmm...........
03-02-2013, 09:02 AM
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They can't ever get into your medical records unless they are the ones paying for the visit. Even a physician is smart enough to not put any unnecessary information on a note. All a verification from a physician has to say is "I examined so and so on this date. He will be eligible for work again on this date".
Don't be fooled into thinking they can just call the doctors office and ask. Docs carry malpractice insurance for more than ODing babies and cutting off the wrong leg....
Don't be fooled into thinking they can just call the doctors office and ask. Docs carry malpractice insurance for more than ODing babies and cutting off the wrong leg....
03-02-2013, 09:07 AM
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03-02-2013, 09:19 AM
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OK. Thanks for your disingenuous quibbling.
They don't have unfettered access without consent--but we are contractually obligated to grant them access. The end result is the same--the company can get access to our health records.
It doesn't say ANYTHING about limiting their access to records from only company-procured providers. If they want records from your doctor, you are obligated to sign a release. And the doctor would be absolved of any "malpractice" claims since he has a release.
Read it and tell me again management doesn't have access (or can't obtain access) to our medical records.
Then because you happen to have screwed up and incriminated yourself anyway, you get hammered for lying to the company and get fired anyway.
So yes - the company can access your medical records, most likely right before they fire you. Otherwise you can go 100 silent hours where you're actually sick and not say a word to anyone, as long as you behave as if you are too sick to work while you're sick and before you tell them you're ok to work.
Delta has an extremely liberal policy for personal drops. We have no minimum level of work required for a given month that I know of. If there's coverage and you want to PD everything, do it. But that's why the company can get away with not budgeting for 100 hours of free credit for every pilot. They have given you the out to be unproductive, and they expect you to take it based on their expectations of you. If you're WS-ing a trip, then 48 hours later sicking out for it, they have every right to be angry, and to question the sick call (should they choose to investigate it and have proof that you were scamming the system outside a hunch). But - most likely - unless you're a massive trouble maker, they're just gonna ignore it.
So what's the problem? Would you rather have an event based system? Where 5 sick calls in, you're required to submit a sick note for very sick call? Would you rather you just be able to abuse the system? Is that really what this is all about? That you can't game the system to your satisfaction, so you call it inadequate and concessionary? I think that's the issue with a lot of you. "I can't get mine, so it's inadequate or concessionary." Quit whining and eat some bad Chinese if you don't want to work. You're an adult - you know how to make this work.
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