Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-25-2013, 07:34 AM
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Airport managers nationwide strive to preserve international routes for more than just prestige. Nonstop flights carry traders, investors, tourists and cargo that shower economic benefits on communities.
Once a city loses international routes -- as Portland did in 2001, when Delta ended Portland-Japan flights -- they are difficult to restore. Deutsche Lufthansa will suspend its nonstop flights between Portland and Frankfurt after Sept. 12. The silver lining, travel agents say, is that Delta's flights between Portland and Amsterdam should attract more passengers.
Delta, encouraged by the unusual subsidies that kicked in Tuesday, has so far spared Portland International Airport the fate of cities such as Atlanta, Cincinnati and New York, where the airline has cut some foreign nonstop flights.
02-25-2013, 07:35 AM
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Hey Moby, interesting point you made on 744 vs 77W.
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02-25-2013, 07:37 AM
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Can Alaska customers use miles on Delta? Best I can tell yes and once you get hooked on that option as a Alaska HVC...
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Earn Mileage Plan™ miles when you travel on on Delta Air Lines and Delta Connection carriers to 354 destinations in 65 countries. Delta operates flights with First, BusinessElite (Business), and Economy classes of service. Learn more about WHERE DELTA FLIES (HINT, EVERYWHERE YOU WOULD WANT TO GO) and book your next flight at delta.com.
Of course, that was long before the internets, fare search engines, 105% load factors, refugee style pack mule caravan carry-ons and free unlimited nicotine residue. But I like where you are going with that. thats what she said?
Anyway we may indeed be getting some pax "hooked" on the (honestly improving lately) brand, but at the end of the day comparable fares rule the day for the leisure segment as over all network/perks/rewards does for the business traveller. If AS were as cultish as some would have us believe, they wouldn't need to do so much legacy airline feed. They would be chock full of their own pax with no significant amount of seats to give to some massive code share scheme. Sure maybe a few seats here and there, why not, but up to 35-50% for one off brand airline and many more for another, all on the same flight? Some loyalty.
Anyway its too early to call a trend on this, even a little bit, but I do like the direction some things are going out west lately. Coupled with juicy rumor or two along the same lines and I will allow myself one brief smile per day for the topic in its entirety. Frowns take way more muscles of course, but I need the exercise.
02-25-2013, 07:37 AM
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I'm amused that PDX has to pay DAL for Pacific service.
02-25-2013, 07:38 AM
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02-25-2013, 07:40 AM
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02-25-2013, 07:42 AM
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FTB,
I realize this is somewhat after the fact, but that was a really well done analysis. Your screen persona is morphing from one known for absolutely hilarious posts, to one capable of that, as well as well thought out and comprehensive critical thought. That was very impressive.
Regarding pricing on Boeing aircraft...
Back in the Leo Mullin days Delta signed a huge order with Boeing. Lots of firm orders and lots of options on several aircraft families. There was flexibility in numbers of aircraft and delivery dates.
Part of that order was a commitment on Delta's part to buy all Boeing aircraft. But there was also contractual language that nobody else got pricing on new aircraft lower than Delta.
When Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas the EU required Boeing to renounce their sole supplier agreements with Delta (and Continental I believe) to get EU approval for the "merger" with McDonnell-Douglas.
I wonder what the "behind the closed door" status of that low price agreement between Delta and Boeing is?
I realize this is somewhat after the fact, but that was a really well done analysis. Your screen persona is morphing from one known for absolutely hilarious posts, to one capable of that, as well as well thought out and comprehensive critical thought. That was very impressive.
Regarding pricing on Boeing aircraft...
Back in the Leo Mullin days Delta signed a huge order with Boeing. Lots of firm orders and lots of options on several aircraft families. There was flexibility in numbers of aircraft and delivery dates.
Part of that order was a commitment on Delta's part to buy all Boeing aircraft. But there was also contractual language that nobody else got pricing on new aircraft lower than Delta.
When Boeing bought McDonnell-Douglas the EU required Boeing to renounce their sole supplier agreements with Delta (and Continental I believe) to get EU approval for the "merger" with McDonnell-Douglas.
I wonder what the "behind the closed door" status of that low price agreement between Delta and Boeing is?
I know when I was hired one of the recruiters told us that with 777s we had the runright to pull tank at any time and get more 777s. So I bet Sailing is right, but I wonder if that extends to the 300s. Which I don't know why it wouldn't but you never know. The thing is, are we more important to Boeing than ANA is and some of these high rollers.
But it's hard for me to remember or search on the phone for Carl's original post but I guess price was the issue? Did I come up with the delay in getting your hands on 77W from articles, because that's just news articles and we might still be able to pull rank.
02-25-2013, 07:46 AM
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Not everyone wants or can justify the 787, even if it didn't suck right now. But a plug and play 76-ERNG could probably deliver a lot of the cost benefits for a fraction of the additional capex and they would likey sell a ton of them. Especially when and if their state welfare IMEX printing press fantasy money ever dried up and their endless MI-complex money became, well, not so endless.
The duopoly is betting on the whole world paying unlimited amounts of money for cleen sheet 15-20% efficiency designs when they could probably get 10-15% for much lower costs and much higher program reliability. Besides, one of the biggest "advantages" is a longer hull life. Seriously? Does anyone really care? 30 years from now there will be something else anyway so who is going to pay a premium for that now if they don't have to?
02-25-2013, 07:53 AM
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The 787 is what it is. If I were BA I'd launch a 767-300ERNG with winglets, a new wing if it could be justified ROI wise and of course the new engine technology and a few other things from the 787 as well as boring unsexy improvements to existing tech. I read somewhere they saved over 2000 lbs per aircraft just by replacing the metal in the door springs with a lighter material.
Not everyone wants or can justify the 787, even if it didn't suck right now. But a plug and play 76-ERNG could probably deliver a lot of the cost benefits for a fraction of the additional capex and they would likey sell a ton of them. Especially when and if their state welfare IMEX printing press fantasy money ever dried up and their endless MI-complex money became, well, not so endless.
The duopoly is betting on the whole world paying unlimited amounts of money for cleen sheet 15-20% efficiency designs when they could probably get 10-15% for much lower costs and much higher program reliability. Besides, one of the biggest "advantages" is a longer hull life. Seriously? Does anyone really care? 30 years from now there will be something else anyway so who is going to pay a premium for that now if they don't have to?
Not everyone wants or can justify the 787, even if it didn't suck right now. But a plug and play 76-ERNG could probably deliver a lot of the cost benefits for a fraction of the additional capex and they would likey sell a ton of them. Especially when and if their state welfare IMEX printing press fantasy money ever dried up and their endless MI-complex money became, well, not so endless.
The duopoly is betting on the whole world paying unlimited amounts of money for cleen sheet 15-20% efficiency designs when they could probably get 10-15% for much lower costs and much higher program reliability. Besides, one of the biggest "advantages" is a longer hull life. Seriously? Does anyone really care? 30 years from now there will be something else anyway so who is going to pay a premium for that now if they don't have to?
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]I'm going to use the analogy management and union like to use to describe the relationship between the union and company, its a marriage.
And the pilots are the kids. So just like in real life, its not fun to see mom married to a man who likes to sleep around. Nor is it fun to be the kids of the mistresses. Or the love child of a barely legal coed.
The key is for the kids of the wife to force Ma into a better prenupt and buy her big fat golf clubs.
Amen?
And the pilots are the kids. So just like in real life, its not fun to see mom married to a man who likes to sleep around. Nor is it fun to be the kids of the mistresses. Or the love child of a barely legal coed.
The key is for the kids of the wife to force Ma into a better prenupt and buy her big fat golf clubs.
Amen?
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