Jughead

Gunter glieben glauchen globen?

After not knowing what this was for the last 25 years, you made me actually spend 45 seconds of my life researching this...

German jibberish as far as I can tell...maybe some of you ER types can help out.

Free Bird

Well. I wasn't disputing that Neil Young said that. I was implying that the Def Leppard song is more appropriate with that particular lyric imo.

sorry for the confusion and the creep.

Doug Masters

What has 9 arms and sounds like sh*t? Def Leppard Sorry, couldn't resist...

sailingfun

[quote=Bucking Bar;661712]Really? I can't get over the irony of ALPA's "career expectations" argument driving a pilot group into the hands of Teamsters. Can any F9 pilot think they are better off tied to Republic than Southwest?

ALPA was not involved with the discussions between F9 and SWA. I spoke with a friend at F9. He said everyone he knows is very upset at the outcome. He believes that the Frontier union reps believed that SWA wanted Frontier so bad that if they did not reach a agreement SWA would go through with the purchase regardless and they would gain access to arbitration via the TWA legislation. It was a high stakes game of poker and no one expected SWA to fold and go home. No one at Frontier has any real illusions that they are better off with Frontier. They traded jobs at the one US carrier that is financially solvent for a very iffy future.

yancharlie

The guys at F9 didn't get it. SWA employees come first, then the business is second. May be they should have read the book nuts before going into negotiation, so they can be informed about swa background. That is crazy giving up a secure retirement at swa and a better future for the F9 youngs because of pride, looks like another episode of american greed to me.

sailingfun

[quote=Bucking Bar;661716]Delta wanted to sell Comair and perhaps other wholly owned airlines to raise cash. Since restrictions on competition would have reduced the number of potential buyers, Delta and ALPA removed those restrictions which once had forced a cancellation of the ACA deal under similar circumstances.

There were no substantial changes in that area of the contract. The difference between ACA and the Republic deal is that Repbulic is operating the aircraft on a different operating certificate at a different airline. ACA took delivery of Airbuses on their operating certificate.

the aircraft other than a permitted aircraft type, is either a jet aircraft certificated for
operation in the United States for 106 or fewer passenger seats and configured with 97
or fewer passenger seats (provided that any jet aircraft configured with between 71
and 97 passenger seats is not flown for the Company or any affiliate and is not flown
on a city pair that is served by the Company or an affiliate) or a propeller driven
aircraft configured with 72 or fewer passenger seats, and is operated on its own behalf
or pursuant to agreement with an air carrier(s) other than the Company or an affiliate.
Exception: If a carrier that performs category A or category C operations acquires an
aircraft that would cause the Company to no longer be in compliance with the
provisions of

Delta management has never been good at writing DCI contracts. They are not happy with the Republic deal but did not put anything in the contracts to stop it. They view Republic now as a competitor and will not renew any Republic contracts. I suspect the same will happen with other major airlines. Republic has taken a huge gamble and will have to quickly move to achieve a critical mass before those contracts expire and they start losing revenue.

acl65pilot

Sailing the question I pose is this. Even though DAL wrote off the investment in MEH, they still controlled the same percentage with TPA. Did they not have to agree at least in part to the sale of MEH to RJET?

Add to that, that if they really wanted to scrap the contract they could go up to IND and prove that the mods were made on those 175's, and tell them that those aircraft are in violation of a contract in which DAL, Inc is a signatory.


I personally wonder is all of the discomfort DAL is showing for RJET is just smoke and mirrors.

Bucking Bar

Sailing - Yeah, you are correct. ACA's Certificate became Independence Airlines, which was bought and became Compass. Republic and SkyWest has run under multiple Certificates ever since TSA/GoJets showed everyone how to run around that little scope blockade. We have had multiple opportunities to close that hole and I assume we must not have wanted to, or else it would have been gone after the JPWA opportunity.

Still, there is a guy on the ALPA board who makes a pretty compelling argument that Republic is still in violation and we are still getting reports the Shuttle America fleet is Certified over the weight limit. Thus far our MEC has declined to perform any investigation itself and put the duty of investigating and documenting grievances on the line pilots (who lack the investigatory power to be effective themselves). The line pilots have, thus far, failed to produce the smoking gun.

... another question, I used to get International Pay on the 767 for the Western Caribbean and Central America. Have not been getting it on the other aircraft types going to the same destinations, what gives? That's my other question for the day.

acl65pilot

I think that it has something to do with the fact that domestic is not 3Deg South of the equator, and LOA 19/JPWA, or so I have been told.

Bucking Bar

Maybe not smoke and mirrors, but cash talks and this is a liquidity game until the economy turns around, which might be a L O N G time for it see a "normal" GDP again.

I think Republic is jumping without a net. They figure it is "get big or die trying" time, which didn't work so well for Braniff. Frontier is a gimme, if they can run it and maintain the positive cash flow. I still can't figure out what they are thinking with MidWest unless Delta is propping it up via code share, or some other arrangement.

The small jet divisions of Delta are still for sale, despite the "we don't like all this outsourcing" talk from Flight Operations management. It isn't just the sales price, it is also a chance to offload the liabilities from the aircraft purchases and leasing.I think Mr. Bastian and Mr. Campbell like the idea of a alter-ego DCI carrier flying large jets. Gives management leverage in C2012. They are not going to talk this up and throw fuel on the scope fire. They'll act like it is a happy accident and tell ALPA, "it is what it is."

Everyone has read my argument about how bad scope leads to a declining trend in pay and benefits on much bigger airplanes, so I will not belabor this explanation again. "Lines in the sand" just are not effective ... we must own the beach!