Bucking Bar

PG,

I do not consider myself to be an "ALPA basher" or "ALPA hater." I've read all I can find on Dave Behnke and our Key Men. I believe that they would have similar concerns to the ideas expressed on alter ego airlines and outsourcing.

If I "hated" ALPA it would be easy enough to leave the association then raise the issues of dues apportionment, or advocate for an alternative representation solution. That is not where this is going.

98% of what our union does is very good work and they do an excellent job.

It might surprise you to learn who my source was on the attorney not being a member of the Bar was ... the attorney himself! A mistake which I hastened to correct. Aside from that I am a former ALPA volunteer, and voting dues paying member in good standing.

Bucking Bar

There is a HUGE difference between a Representative and Member of our Association and someone who is not a member, not a volunteer and who comes in from outside to provide political counsel.

Carl Spackler

Just because I needed 2 weeks to get through CQ last time...some guys just never let you forget.

Carl

Carl Spackler

I can't help you if you still can't get it right after posting twice. I didn't say you...I said this:

Did you see it Pineapple? Did you see that I didn't refer to you?

Carl

forgot to bid

I think I'll go with Bar, this whole thing looks a good bit rotten

Carl Spackler

Bar is not an ALPA hater. He even thinks we should keep them. I know this is how you guys behave in the ALPA echo chamber, but referring to disagreement as "hate" only serves to show your own chronic dysfunction. I don't even hate ALPA. I think they are a terribly bloated organization that is interested only in its own continuation, but I don't hate them.

Bar did no such thing. Bar did not lie. It is a lie for you to say so. Bar posted info from the very lawyer in question who is the one who said he is not on the state bar association. As soon as Bar found out he was a member of the DC bar association, he posted a retraction in large bold font.

It certainly does Pineapple. What should we think of your character when you call someone a liar and hater who understandably got something wrong, then immediately notified us of the error and posted a retraction?

Please keep being yourself Pineapple. It's very illustrative for pilots to see how our union behaves toward anyone who doesn't tow the party line. Keep up your blind devotion, and you yourself might get to the top of the pyramid scheme.

Carl

Bucking Bar

Just so you know, I never had the unrealistic expectation that the Delta MEC would take on tge actions of Lee Moak over the holidays. Nor did I expect to be able to out argue a $350, 000 a year, experienced, attorney. My goal has been to educate and shine a flashlight at our union's governing documents. That mission has been achieved.

It would be my preference that ALPA do a better job educating it's members on these matters.

Carl Spackler

Your continuation of this propaganda is very pleasing to the Dear Leader. You will undoubtedly get another medal. But I see that you and slowplay, and sailingfun, and alfaromeo have a bit of a surface area problem for any more medals.



Carl

GunshipGuy

PG's response here is in itself a great example of how one will defend an entity at any cost. Reading comprehension problem? Pot meet kettle! Carl just made an excellent point, and rather than acknowledge it or let it pass, PG doubles down with even more evidence of not understanding the written word in this case. Some must think as long as you're attacking and talking you haven't lost the point. Maybe for some, but the readers of this forum whether for or against the status quo can see through the obfuscation here. And as was pointed out, BB, in large bold font, corrected his point. But yet that's not good enough for PG. Normally, I'd watch this go back and forth without comment, but the chutzpah this took was deserving of a comment. I mean, when you were typing out that response you had to be thinking, "Well, he makes a darn good point. But we can't have that. And this doesn't address his point, and is intellectually dishonest, but I have to say something!"

Fly4hire

I recommend you and BB get hold of a copy of Comair Letter 2005 Between ALPA and Comair Inc, look at the fleet guarantees and who the signatory's are. That doesn't mean it wasn't rotten then, but PNCL is definitely not precedent setting. Of course if you want to tilt at windmills you could ask who was the common denominator between the DAL MEC then and National now.........crap......what are those black helico.......