Whoa there. I like dissenting opinions. Even when stated inartfully and sometimes offensively.

It'd be pretty boring around here if all we had were pro-ALPA pro-company sailingfun types.

I be wearin' my Drank t-shirt.
We need that boy all up in here.
Fo shizzle.

I agree 100%. Let me hear the Pros, the Cons, the Kool-aid Point of view, the DPA point of view, the DALPA point of view etc. I will then form my own opinions.

Some guys are more positive than negative, some are more negative. Lets not forget a lot of the current Pilots (me included) have been screwed by previous Delta Managements. Sometimes I wish I were better at holding a grudge but life is too short to be bitter.

Scoop

02-15-2013, 03:48 PM

#122962

newKnow

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Feb 2007

Position: 765-A

Posts: 6,844

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalad

2.8 a month seems pretty low to me, especially for the NYC 7ER A category.

I just did 3 in 5 days. 2.8 average? Yeah... No.

If you are senior on reserve, I think thats another story.

02-15-2013, 04:00 PM

#122963

Flamer

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jul 2009

Position: Lowest Pay I Could Find

Posts: 1,044

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple Drank

Yes, I think that will change. I doubt if the company negotiated for something they didn't intend to use.

Just one more way for the company to absorb impending retirements without replacing them 1 for 1.

But we did get 4-8-3-3, so it's ok.

That is correct. The words "should", "may" and the like have no place in a pilot contract. And past practices do not gaurentee future results. All categories will inevitably see the numbers rise and many will now be hitting a higher max threshold. Add this to the uncorrected reserve gaurentee for trips and reserve is going to suck hard in a few years. The philosophy that they only use 2.8 now, but they wanted 7, but don't worry they will never use them is asinine.

02-15-2013, 04:14 PM

#122964

80ktsClamp

Da Hudge

Joined APC: Oct 2006

Position: Poodle Whisperer

Posts: 17,473

Quote:

Originally Posted by newKnow

I just did 3 in 5 days. 2.8 average? Yeah... No.

If you are senior on reserve, I think thats another story.

I sit a minimum of 4 each month.. typically 5 and sometimes 6.

Oh, and my category is "fat" as per crew planning. 2.8 my shiny white rear end.

02-15-2013, 04:23 PM

#122965

firstmob

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Feb 2009

Posts: 841

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalad

Someone had a good synopsis of what was going on from In Command. The company isn't pleased with ALK's shenanigans, and we are starting to add our own feed to SEA. Also want to add more long range flying out of SEA to Asia, overflying NRT. HA doesn't fit into our plans, either, as they have a lot of debt and don't own many of their airplanes.

HKG maybe?

02-15-2013, 04:24 PM

#122966

Sink r8

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jun 2009

Posts: 5,113

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoop

I agree 100%. Let me hear the Pros, the Cons, the Kool-aid Point of view, the DPA point of view, the DALPA point of view etc. I will then form my own opinions.

I agree. There would be something tragically wrong if some viewpoints couldn't be represented on a public board.

I will also add that there shouldn't be a perfect correlation between a poster and a viewpoint. It cannot be that intelligent people look at an organization, or a person, and invariably conclude that they are never wrong, or always wrong. I have the greatest respect for those who judge based on current facts, not stale ideology.

02-15-2013, 04:28 PM

#122967

dalad

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Nov 2009

Position: C560XL/XLS/XLS+

Posts: 1,278

Quote:

Originally Posted by scambo1

I agree. I think Purple is a Yankee. Yankees evoke differently, they are much more direct. With a Yankee, you rarely have to wonder where you stand.

Aya bubba Timbo?

Unlike Clamp and DW. I wonder if they exchanged phone numbers.

Yeah, a Yankee from Philly.

02-15-2013, 04:30 PM

#122968

80ktsClamp

Da Hudge

Joined APC: Oct 2006

Position: Poodle Whisperer

Posts: 17,473

Looks like newK took the ol' 9 out for a spin this morning.

New speed record for you?

02-15-2013, 04:50 PM

#122969

hockeypilot44

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jul 2008

Posts: 5,030

Quote:

Originally Posted by GunshipGuy

You know my eyes typically focus straight on what is posted and then after reading will gravitate to who wrote what. Now this one was relatively tame, but it had that "defend the company at all costs" tinge to it since that 2.8 number seemed low compared to what my experience has been since last spring, so when my eyes drifted over to who its author was I had a sneaking suspicion I was on the money with one of my two picks.

I would have believed that 2.8 average a year ago. Now there is no way it's that low in my category unless you are a super senior reserve with all weekends off. I did 5 last month. That was the first time I did 5 as long as I've been here. It was also the first time I sat reserve since the previous February. The previous February, I did 2. It seems they are assigning more and more short calls. My quality of life on reserve last month was the worst it's ever been. I have over 4 years of reserve experience to compare it to. It was so bad that I will now avoid reserve at almost all cost. I feel sorry for the few pilots that are junior to me stuck at the very bottom. Hopefully they live in base. I definitely struggled as a commuter with 2 kids.

02-15-2013, 04:51 PM

#122970

Sink r8

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jun 2009

Posts: 5,113

Quote:

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I sit a minimum of 4 each month.. typically 5 and sometimes 6.

Oh, and my category is "fat" as per crew planning. 2.8 my shiny white rear end.

Maybe you're fat, and your rear end shiny, because you sit SC more than everage? I've gotten about 0.5/reserve month.

In all fairness, I must admit I am sort of fat too.

And for more disclosure, when I bid reserve in the high season, I'm almost always either flying, or on SC. 2.8/month is probably about right for a company-wide average, but there must be very large variations between categories, and individual pilots as well. I susprct many guys that are junior in NB categories in the summer think the average and max are the same number.