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Old 02-15-2013, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
When the new FTDT rules take effect, which is another year or so. It actually changes to 14 hours, not 12, and the max number of SC per month goes up to 7 from 6.
The shortcall max only goes up in a month where reserves are paid 75 hours or more. That works out to about half the year so short calls will increase on average to 6.5 max. The average overall shortcall utilization by the company runs around 2.8 per month.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:41 AM
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How about we turn the freeze on the 764 back to 24 months and see what we can get in return?

Its a win win... Win.
You will get virtually nothing. The pilots bidding on the 400 seem to stay there. If they are not bidding off in less then 2 years then the cost savings to the company is zero. The copilots bidding off almost always seem to be going to Captain seats. No freeze at all there.
Its going to be a far different story on the 717.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The shortcall max only goes up in a month where reserves are paid 75 hours or more. That works out to about half the year so short calls will increase on average to 6.5 max. The average overall shortcall utilization by the company runs around 2.8 per month.
Thanks for pointing that out, I missed that detail. I'm not sweating the 7th short-call too much. I'm sure this will change, but I've never seen more than 5 SC in a month, and most months I'm only seeing 2 or 3.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by nwaf16dude
Thanks for pointing that out, I missed that detail. I'm not sweating the 7th short-call too much. I'm sure this will change, but I've never seen more than 5 SC in a month, and most months I'm only seeing 2 or 3.
Yes, I think that will change. I doubt if the company negotiated for something they didn't intend to use.

Just one more way for the company to absorb impending retirements without replacing them 1 for 1.

But we did get 4-8-3-3, so it's ok.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Yes, I think that will change. I doubt if the company negotiated for something they didn't intend to use.

Just one more way for the company to absorb impending retirements without replacing them 1 for 1.

But we did get 4-8-3-3, so it's ok.

Just curious, did you come from NWA? If so I understand but if not why did you apply to a company that you constantly berate? Everything out of your mouth 100% of the time is negative, condescending, anit-ALPA or anti-Delta. Why did you interview or even apply? Why stay?
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The average overall shortcall utilization by the company currently runs around 2.8 per month but will likely go much higher in the future.
fixed it for you.

half-truths and obfuscation. It's the DALPA way.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
fixed it for you.

half-truths and obfuscation. It's the DALPA way.
You're just as guilty of half truths and obfuscation. Even conjecture.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
United is hiring, you should go there.
Ah, yes. The classic.

Our pilot group is a complacent lot when it comes to fighting for improvements that will benefit our families. If DALPA pressures us to vote "yes," most of us do so.

Most of us don't realize that ALPA doesn't give a tinker's damn about the Delta pilot. They care only about the Delta pilot's dues money, and how they can keep it. They're trying to preserve their empire any way they can.

I, for one, don't think we'll achieve what we're capable of as long as ALPA represents us.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
Ah, yes. The classic.

Our pilot group is a complacent lot when it comes to fighting for improvements that will benefit our families. If DALPA pressures us to vote "yes," most of us do so.

Most of us don't realize that ALPA doesn't give a tinker's damn about the Delta pilot. They care only about the Delta pilot's dues money, and how they can keep it. They're trying to preserve their empire any way they can.

I, for one, don't think we'll achieve what we're capable of as long as ALPA represents us.
Why don"t you just quit? You hate ALPA, you hate Delta, why do you stay?
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:34 PM
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I'm going to start referring to Drank as Caplinger. Close enoughin writing style!
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