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Old 08-12-2009, 02:47 PM
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Snow,

I know its a job requirement but you are being a little too defensive. Did I ever mention anything about DALPA agreeing to the company on this? I have nothing but respect for the DALPA guys - I don't agree with everything they say but overall I think they weathered the storm of the last 8 years fairly adequately.

As far as a positive post a day - here is a freebie: DALPA policies helped cover furloughed pilots medical during the 2002 - 2006 furloughs.



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Old 08-12-2009, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by slowplay
Time for a vision check. There will be more RJ flying, but there will be a lot more mainline flying as well. It's good news for NYC based pilots.
I agree with you and probably wrote to quickly when I figured out these slots were restricted to airplanes we don't fly.

I now expect more RJ flying and at least status quo, maybe an uptick on mainline gauge from LGA. I don't know if they will try to flow traffic through it as a hub, but anything that slows the pace of 767 domestic displacements is most welcome. The 757 is a great load hauler out of LGA.
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You keep asserting this as if receiving a resolution equates to no action. That's not true.
Really? Rather than my response, maybe you'll be more inclined to believe our MEC's Communications pro's.
Originally Posted by Delta MEC Communications
"The Regular Meeting Highlights, Memphis TN, March 31 to April 2, 2009." Among the Agenda items passed unanimously was "AI 09-50 Resolution taking no action for a Compass Integration Cost / Benefit Analysis."
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Of course, your version of unity that includes pilots without flying is a way to gain one thing.... btw, Moak is the Compass MEC Chair as well. He's doing roadshows at their bases this week.
As long as he's not up there hammering up "FOR SALE" signs. The Compass guys I've met have been pretty smart folks. It will be interesting to get their thoughts on the presentation.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by groundstop
Also, Airways is gonna keep a half of their terminal... I am not sure if anyone has mentioned that. At least that how it appears to me when I read the info. So we are gonna split that terminal with airways now, and built a connector to our terminal. The best thing about this deal is that there is a much better food court over there.
From what I've read on another site, I think the plan is for Airways to take only 3 gates in the current DL terminal as well as the MAT. DL will keep the remaining 7 gates in its current terminal as well as all of the current AIrways terminal...thus the need for a connector between the two. Im just speculating, but I could see Airways taking 3 of the "old" NW gates and DL keeping everything else in place that it currently uses.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Futhermore, even if they do put 50 seaters on them those 50 seaters will have to be shifted from somewhere else & that flying will have to be replaced by Mainline. Comair can't cover this increase. I can't believe we have so many negative nancy's on what I think is great news for DAL & it's employees.
Johnson, have you been through CVG lately? There are about 20 50 seaters parked out on a pad near 18C. Also, Comair has guys on F and announced about 100 more this fall. There definately is room at Comair to p/u this flying unfortunately. The big question is what size metal they want to put on the routes. I do agree about the idea of 76 seat scope relief. DAL needs the two class cabin, especially for a high-end mkt like NYC for our frequent fliers and medallion members. With approval expected in early 2010, DAL probably does not have time to acquire a/c and refit/paint them in time for a Spring/Summer launch. That leaves us using existing metal which is 50 seaters, at least for now.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:29 PM
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Slow,

This is good news and I have no doubt we will see mainline growth as a result. At the same time the Co maintains there is no suitable 100 replacement. They WILL push for more relief and I would not be surprised to see them attempt to link it to this announcement. I also expect DALPA will tell them to stick it where the doesn't shine..

I am also certain that if given the opportunity a suitable 100 seater could be found for the DCI's overnight.

Keep your collective eyes on the ball!!!!
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Scoop
For years management has been saying how much they dislike the RJ - yet they continually purchased more and larger RJs..


Followed by: Our intention is to grow new markets with these 76 seaters and replace them with mainline. I have been hearing this one for years and am not sure that it happened. I think a guy on the DAL boards said in the last 10 years we may have grown one or two mainline flights, and only hundreds lost.

There is nothing wrong with a little optimism - but the track record on this sort of thing is not good.

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Great post! Study history boys and girls.

# of new aircraft delivered to DCI carriers in the last 10 years?

# of new aircraft delivered to Delta in the last 10 years?

I am glad to see us secure more real estate at LGA. Make no mistake, Mngt. WILL OUTSOURCE OUR FLYING to the greatest extent possible. I really hope Im wrong, just haven't seen lots of new perty jets at mainline yet. But damn, those compass and pinnacle jets are really spiffy.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Fly4hire
There is no gates or slots designated commuter - that's just how they've been used.

As to using 50 seaters and not pulling mainliners dream on - there are plenty of spare NB to use and they can backfill with DC9s currebtly (apx 35) in the desert
According to Delta's 1Q 10q report there were a total of 71 DC-9's in the fleet. 67 flying and 4 in storage. All the others were sold for scrap. I have not seen the 2Q or 3Q numbers but they should be out there somewhere.
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
According to Delta's 1Q 10q report there were a total of 71 DC-9's in the fleet. 67 flying and 4 in storage. All the others were sold for scrap. I have not seen the 2Q or 3Q numbers but they should be out there somewhere.
Man Sailing, what is your beef with the DC9? I bet you came up with the nickname 'Furlough Jet'. Every chance you get you sling mud at the DC9. What's the deal?
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Old 08-12-2009, 03:59 PM
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Sailing,

We had 90 some DC9s a year ago. Can you cite source that they are no longer in storage?

Scrap eh? You almost seem to take pleasure in that proposition. I hope they are in storage because if they are not then we have nothing to back fill the extra LGA flying with. Additional block hours are a not a cure all for a stagnant fleet when you need to expand.

Like Scoop said how many new acft have we got in the last 10 yrs? When the block hours don't fill the gap where will management turn?

If those 9s are gone for good better hope the 90's show up by next summer.

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Old 08-12-2009, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Here's for hoping for more jobs at Delta sooner than it looked like in June before the rumors leaked. Trust me we want you here asap.
Trust me I want to be here ASAP...... Could always use more reccomendations
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