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02-13-2013, 05:28 AM
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Sailing, according to the welcome to SWA packet, they say they:
Last year we found out we flew around 1.9M domestic block hours and when divided by a fleet of 566 domestic jets you come up with a number of about 3,428 hours per domestic DAL jet per year. Those numbers are close to industry standards so I'll run with them.
So using their data from the AirTran welcome packet:
So are we getting close to SWA productivity? I don't know, looks like they fly their jets a little more and the individual pilot flies more hours in less days than we do but they get more days off. So, yes from a company standpoint but no from a pilot standpoint. Now lets assume for a moment all of this is right, what now? What does it mean? It means, we get what we negotiate and approve or allow.
*5813 pilots plus 10% is around 6458, so it looks like 10% is the average for offline pilots as well.
**Based on 65 MD90s
- fly an average of 10.78 hours per day per jet. Using that figure x 365.2425 days and you get 3,937 hours per SWA jet per year.
- they have 5,813 line pilots*.
Last year we found out we flew around 1.9M domestic block hours and when divided by a fleet of 566 domestic jets you come up with a number of about 3,428 hours per domestic DAL jet per year. Those numbers are close to industry standards so I'll run with them.
So using their data from the AirTran welcome packet:
- SWA: 3,937 hours x 549 jets / 5813 line pilots = 372.85 hours per pilot per year.
- DAL: 3,428 hours x 182 MD88/MD90s** / 1735 line pilots = 359.59 hours per pilot per year.
So a little less... unless you take into account they are talking about reducing the staffing. Say, a 3.3% reduction or 58.38 pilots system wide? Then we equal SWA.
Except that I don't know too many MD88/MD90 As and Bs making $240,000 and $140,000 with an average of 18 days off a month.So are we getting close to SWA productivity? I don't know, looks like they fly their jets a little more and the individual pilot flies more hours in less days than we do but they get more days off. So, yes from a company standpoint but no from a pilot standpoint. Now lets assume for a moment all of this is right, what now? What does it mean? It means, we get what we negotiate and approve or allow.
*5813 pilots plus 10% is around 6458, so it looks like 10% is the average for offline pilots as well.
**Based on 65 MD90s
In the end however the only valid way to compare pilot productivity is block hours per pilot. SW enjoys a huge advantage in that department.
02-13-2013, 05:32 AM
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02-13-2013, 05:33 AM
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Maybe the reason (per the SWA welcome packet) SWA runs a 5.3 crew per jet and we run 4.8 per jet is... they have to give their guys more days off then we get? 
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02-13-2013, 05:37 AM
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We have yet to staff our upcoming 737 deliveries.
02-13-2013, 05:40 AM
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You are lumping our domestic 757/767 fleet into your numbers and applying it to the Md88. Our Md88 utilization rate is very low at the moment. That's not valid. The average daily numbers comparing like sized small narrow bodies I posted.
In the end however the only valid way to compare pilot productivity is block hours per pilot. SW enjoys a huge advantage in that department.
In the end however the only valid way to compare pilot productivity is block hours per pilot. SW enjoys a huge advantage in that department.
Did you see the numbers I posted? It's based off of the numbers SWA posted.
As to 88 utilization, at the moment (February) or for the year? I remember hearing over 50% of the departures in ATL last summer were to be MD88s. When one of ours breaks in ATL is seems as if it's hard to find another.
We've heard the 757s in Asia are inefficient, but they're lumped into the domestic BH number (the one used for the DCI ratio). Some of the 757s are old too are they not? Are they being used to their max?
And the 753s seem to fly a lot from ATL-MCO, that's not a long flight. Some of those 737s and 757s are running common 88 rotations as well.
So unless you have annual MD88 hours, I'm going to use the average.
02-13-2013, 05:50 AM
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02-13-2013, 05:50 AM
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Couple of things, it's hard to do a comparison of like sized narrow bodies between a fleet that consists mostly of 737-700 sized airplanes paying the same as our 747s and a fleet of MD88s and 90s that are larger who pay less. I agree.
Did you see the numbers I posted? It's based off of the numbers SWA posted.
So unless you have annual MD88 hours, I'm going to use the average.
Did you see the numbers I posted? It's based off of the numbers SWA posted.
So unless you have annual MD88 hours, I'm going to use the average.
In other words, you're going to continue to make stuff up.
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