Superpilot92

oh i agree, but i as of late DAL mgmt has been on the soapbox about fixing our product. RJ's dont improve the product and they know that, especially in NYC. I have no doubt some flying will be to some of the regionals but i think alot of it will come to mainline. we'll see

johnso29

I'm really suprised that most people are being so negative about this news. I personally think that the majority will be a mainline increase as DAL is steering away from the 50 seat product. Yes, we will most likely see 76 seaters doing some of it but as someone mentioned earlier they are capped & therefore we will see Mainline increase IMO.

Futhermore, even if they do put 50 seaters on them those 50 seaters will have to be shifted from somewhere else & that flying will have to be replaced by Mainline. Comair can't cover this increase. I can't believe we have so many negative nancy's on what I think is great news for DAL & it's employees.

Superpilot92

+1 agreed .

groundstop

I don't think this is great news, but I do think it is a step in the right direction for NYC. Having the shuttle all the way on the other side of the airport was always a pain, and confusing for many customers. Why do you think they have huge signs all over the DAL main terminal saying "BOS, DCA, and MDW flights - get a bus".

I will be ****ed if they try to cram more RJ's on remote pads like they have in LGA right now. They should use this gate space and do away with buses... no doubt. I am embarrassed for us when I see customers getting on buses to be hauled out to a remote pad. Talk about a goat rope. The connection side at JFK is even worse... what a cluster.

If we want to compete with Jetblue and be NYC's airline, we have to fix up our facilities are start treating our customers better. And I am not talking front line employees, who for the most part do the best they can with what they are given. I am talking manpower and terminals.

Also, Airways is gonna keep a half of their terminal... I am not sure if anyone has mentioned that. At least that how it appears to me when I read the info. So we are gonna split that terminal with airways now, and built a connector to our terminal. The best thing about this deal is that there is a much better food court over there.

FlyinPiker

This makes sense and this is why I'm excited.

No one should be disappointed by this news. We are about to pick up major market share in a huge city we already dominate in internationally. A market that is exclusive and limited in who gets to take these peoples money and who doesn't.

It is an awesome opportunity and I think they are brilliant for having played a part in putting it together.

This does nothing but lay the groundwork for additional mainline jobs whether they come today or down the line.

FlyinPiker

What I can see them doing is having 5 or 6 gates over in our old terminal which will be utilized for everything that was being done out of the MAT (DCA, BOS, MDW) or possibly just DCA/BOS. They could use the gates along the side of our new terminal to keep from having to deal with an alley and keep things moving...let US Air deal with the old Comair side.

Everything else could be done out of the US Airways terminal which would be good for connections, etc. They already have the one pier set up for commuter aircraft which while scary in it's own right is a huge upgrade from the operation we currently have with the comair buses. Maybe we'd upgrade it all so everything had jetways...if we are serious about staying in NY, we might as well plan for the future and the future will be bigger a/c.

This way while they are working on the construction, etc,etc they can offer separate check in/drop off facilities for Shuttle and the other terminal for everything else. It would basically be like the two separate operations we have now except they would be closer.

They might even keep the separate check-in/ baggage claim so business travelers won't have to deal with all of our normal passengers getting dropped off/picked up over at our new terminal which I'm sure will be hoppin busy.

I'm getting really excited about this...it has the potential to be pretty fricken sweet.

slowplay

Time for a vision check. There will be more RJ flying, but there will be a lot more mainline flying as well. It's good news for NYC based pilots.

You keep asserting this as if receiving a resolution equates to no action. That's not true. Neither is your repeated assertion that votes were done by "acclimation" (sic). Every single letter or settlement we've reached since LOA 51 enhanced mainline scope. Fight the myopia.

Of course, your version of unity that includes pilots without flying is a way to gain one thing.... btw, Moak is the Compass MEC Chair as well. He's doing roadshows at their bases this week.

Scoop

Guys don't break out the champagne just yet - and here is why:

For years management has been saying how much they dislike the RJ - yet they continually purchased more and larger RJs..

727s, 737-200s, 737-300s, have all been parked, sold, turned into beer cans without any mainline replacement. Management myth - No acceptable 100 seat aircraft exists.

Watch out for this: Management will go to DALPA and tell them that in order for DAL to take advantage of this opportunity they must have 76 seat Scope relief.

Followed by: Our intention is to grow new markets with these 76 seaters and replace them with mainline. I have been hearing this one for years and am not sure that it happened. I think a guy on the DAL boards said in the last 10 years we may have grown one or two mainline flights, and only hundreds lost.
Finally: NYC will be the crown jewel of the Delta system if only we could operate 90/100 seat two class DCI service.

Will we actually grow mainline with this deal? Im sure there will be some more mainline flights. How many more DCI flights is the important issue.

I will remain highly skeptical until I actually see mainline grow. For years I have been reading press releases about new DAL service only to find out they meant new DCI service. Now when I hear of new DAL routes I think of Lucy pulling the football out from Charlie Brown and don't get my hopes up.

There is nothing wrong with a little optimism - but the track record on this sort of thing is not good.

Scoop

NERD

So........ACL aka Nostrodelta,

Where does this news fit with the other/next rumours and a guesstimate on timeline? What step was this, in your reference to "for F to happen A-E must happen"?

slowplay

Wanna bet?

If you're so sure this will happen, I'll make a wager with you. Here's a couple of options:

1. Donation to the Delta Pilot's Charitable Fund (screen name).
2. A positive post per day about Delta ALPA (you) versus a post of an ALPA failing (me) for 30 days.

You in?

My information says you're going to lose if you bet, but we all will win!