Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-12-2013, 03:33 PM
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Need to see more of this:
02-12-2013, 03:36 PM
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02-12-2013, 03:40 PM
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02-12-2013, 03:41 PM
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The point was lost on over 60% of the pilot group. Not everyone has SWA buds they can rely on for factual information. So, how accurate was the data in the C2012 contract comparison provided by our own union? Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths that I think you are giving too many credit for awareness of.
Or that SWAPA memo that said DAL was going to pass them in contract value?
Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths...please.
02-12-2013, 03:48 PM
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Well, JFK-GEO is cancelled in May. FLL-MEX is starting though. GEO used to be one of our most profitable routes, but Carribean has poached it, along with a fuel subsidy from the Trinidadian government.
02-12-2013, 03:50 PM
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Or is it 12000 vs 6000?
02-12-2013, 03:52 PM
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Of course they can still swap pick up to the FAR's one last time!!!
02-12-2013, 04:19 PM
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02-12-2013, 04:21 PM
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02-12-2013, 04:30 PM
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I don't personally believe it makes a person an outlier or two standard deviations to the left or right to expect our collective bargaining agent to tell us the whole truth. It is not my desire to find fault, but I find it personally insulting to be lied to.
My own assessment is that the lies (or half truths) flow in order to further an agenda which, to me, seems counter to the true betterment of the DAL pilots. This is, in my viewpoint, true of the (perceived) lack of adherance to the contract surveys, the 717 won't come unless..., SWA pay, statements like "they aren't in our competitive set", statements like "outsourcing is good for DAL pilots", etc.
My own assessment is that the lies (or half truths) flow in order to further an agenda which, to me, seems counter to the true betterment of the DAL pilots. This is, in my viewpoint, true of the (perceived) lack of adherance to the contract surveys, the 717 won't come unless..., SWA pay, statements like "they aren't in our competitive set", statements like "outsourcing is good for DAL pilots", etc.
The hardest thing for me and others to understand is why our own union would do this to us? Why would they go to such extraordinary lengths to minimize our gains? Management, I can understand...but our own union?
The bottom line is that they did...and that's all that matters. My hope is that next time, not a single pilot substitutes their own logic and judgment for that of any union official. I hope I never again hear: "I was going to vote no but my (insert union official here) says it's a great deal, and I have to trust that he knows more than I do."
Carl
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