Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-12-2013, 12:54 PM
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Last year CWS had about 32 total lawyers. ALPA wasn't even 1/3 of their business.
Of course, you advocated supporting the law firm that had been fired by USAPA, SWAPA, AMFA and a few others...
02-12-2013, 12:55 PM
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02-12-2013, 12:57 PM
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02-12-2013, 01:00 PM
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I don't contribute much since I don't have a dog in this fight (hopefully one day
) but follow it daily. I really like Carl's perspective. Seems like he and I see a lot of things the same way. Stick around Carl...... A lot of folks like your input here!
02-12-2013, 01:13 PM
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02-12-2013, 01:17 PM
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02-12-2013, 01:26 PM
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While I agree with most organizations "it would be cheaper to hire real professionals" ALPA pays their employees very, very well.
Take a look (CAUTION: IT MAY MAKE YOUR BLOOD BOIL!)
Union Facts: Air Line Pilots Leaders, Employees, and Salaries
Take a look (CAUTION: IT MAY MAKE YOUR BLOOD BOIL!)
Union Facts: Air Line Pilots Leaders, Employees, and Salaries
02-12-2013, 02:19 PM
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Fedelta, watch this
02-12-2013, 02:46 PM
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The point was lost on over 60% of the pilot group. Not everyone has SWA buds they can rely on for factual information. So, how accurate was the data in the C2012 contract comparison provided by our own union? Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths that I think you are giving too many credit for awareness of.
02-12-2013, 03:31 PM
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The point was lost on over 60% of the pilot group. Not everyone has SWA buds they can rely on for factual information. So, how accurate was the data in the C2012 contract comparison provided by our own union? Intentionally misleading and covering up the truths that I think you are giving too many credit for awareness of.
As most here know, at SWA, (established) pay rates are only a part of the story. I am no expert on all the SWA pay rules. (Apparently, from a previous post, I am no expert on DAL pay rules either.
)If you compare W-2s, head to head, SWA pilots can make an a$$load more than we can.
I don't personally believe it makes a person an outlier or two standard deviations to the left or right to expect our collective bargaining agent to tell us the whole truth. It is not my desire to find fault, but I find it personally insulting to be lied to.
My own assessment is that the lies (or half truths) flow in order to further an agenda which, to me, seems counter to the true betterment of the DAL pilots. This is, in my viewpoint, true of the (perceived) lack of adherance to the contract surveys, the 717 won't come unless..., SWA pay, statements like "they aren't in our competitive set", statements like "outsourcing is good for DAL pilots", etc.
It seems as if DAL management has plenty of investable capital - or ties to get it. Trainer, VA, 76 seaters, etc. They just don't seem willing to invest it in Delta Air Lines directly unless they get a super duper deal...Okay, I get that.
The next big litmus test will be JV compliance. My prediction is...
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