Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-10-2013, 07:38 PM
Da Hudge
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Nope, but not replacing the slots 1:1 sure is!
They stopped putting IFE in the 73Ns as well. Yet they continue to be utilized on the longer segments. There are other things at play, I suspect.
There are many different aspects to the stagnation, and C2012 is a contributing factor for at least another year.
Is the under-utilization of the 320's also a result of the contract? Or is it because they don't have IFE and network prefers the 73N for longer segments? Would these events still have occurred had we not voted in the contract?
Stagnation sucks! I'm looking forward to finally advancing as much as the next guy. I'm just saying that lashing out at the contract, ALPA or even management may be misplaced.
Stagnation sucks! I'm looking forward to finally advancing as much as the next guy. I'm just saying that lashing out at the contract, ALPA or even management may be misplaced.
There are many different aspects to the stagnation, and C2012 is a contributing factor for at least another year.
02-10-2013, 07:45 PM
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Leine,
No offense but do you ever stop and pay attention to your environment, question what others say when it doesnt balance with what is observed or what has taken place in the past? The facts all point in one direction.
Lastly, I'd rather be pulling gear for Carl, trying to determine where I want that first upgrade and calculating how ill invest that profit sharing check instead of being one of the many FOs playing the continuius mind f--- game that involves 2 pages of MD preferneces, none of which which you'll hold past the following AE or the one after that. You need to hear this partner, but DALPA either got played or someone was handing someone a whole lot of something under the table; if I was DPA I'd spend some of that $100k sniffing with a world class PI.
No offense but do you ever stop and pay attention to your environment, question what others say when it doesnt balance with what is observed or what has taken place in the past? The facts all point in one direction.
Lastly, I'd rather be pulling gear for Carl, trying to determine where I want that first upgrade and calculating how ill invest that profit sharing check instead of being one of the many FOs playing the continuius mind f--- game that involves 2 pages of MD preferneces, none of which which you'll hold past the following AE or the one after that. You need to hear this partner, but DALPA either got played or someone was handing someone a whole lot of something under the table; if I was DPA I'd spend some of that $100k sniffing with a world class PI.
I get that you're frustrated with stagnating. I'm one of the FO's that you're describing. I'm sure Carl would be great to fly with (as long as we don't get on this topic) and I want us all to have our careers start moving forward.
I'm simply stating that we have a contract that is (in my, and 63.99% of our fellow pilots, opinion) superior to our last one. Nothing more, nothing less. If you choose to believe that somehow we are worse off with C2012 that's fine. You are entitled to your opinion and we can disagree. Have a good night - I mean it.
02-10-2013, 07:53 PM
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Lack of IFE is just a sham bullzchit reason management gives to pilots when we ask, "why don't you fly the Airbuses more 
"
With wi-fi on board and a tablet/smart phone equipped clientele, who needs a tiny, poor quality, lethargic IFE headrest anyway??!!
"With wi-fi on board and a tablet/smart phone equipped clientele, who needs a tiny, poor quality, lethargic IFE headrest anyway??!!
02-10-2013, 07:55 PM
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You've seen the AE!?! Tell us more about it!
I didn't know we had 73N's without IFE. Are you saying the 900's won't have it? Or we have some without now? I flew it for over a year, but didn't spend much time in the back - mercifully. 
I agree there are many aspects and none can be fixed overnight. C2012 did not "make all my wildest dreams come true." All I'm continuing to say is:
1. I think we're better positioned for good things than we were prior to this contract
2. Things will get moving as the airplanes show up. It takes time to implement and we collectively have short attention spans and little patience.
and
3. We gave up some efficiencies in the work rules that the roadshows clearly laid out. We got better scope, work rules and extra $ in return. Overall I weighed it to be good enough to vote for and so I did. To each his own.
Good night all - my wife's giving me the "get off the internet" stinkeye
They stopped putting IFE in the 73Ns as well. Yet they continue to be utilized on the longer segments. There are other things at play, I suspect.
There are many different aspects to the stagnation, and C2012 is a contributing factor for at least another year.
1. I think we're better positioned for good things than we were prior to this contract
2. Things will get moving as the airplanes show up. It takes time to implement and we collectively have short attention spans and little patience.
and
3. We gave up some efficiencies in the work rules that the roadshows clearly laid out. We got better scope, work rules and extra $ in return. Overall I weighed it to be good enough to vote for and so I did. To each his own.
Good night all - my wife's giving me the "get off the internet" stinkeye
02-10-2013, 07:57 PM
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Leine,
How's the Diesel 9-osaur treating you? I almost wish I could fly her one more time before the fleet is parked.
How's the Diesel 9-osaur treating you? I almost wish I could fly her one more time before the fleet is parked.
02-10-2013, 08:06 PM
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It's a great airplane. Really the last of it's kind for our careers. I'm glad I got the opportunity to do one more time around. Just come jumpseat for one leg (or 5) and you'll happily head back to your cushy ER seat
02-10-2013, 08:09 PM
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Don't FTB!
Btw - DON'T FORGET TO BID!
02-10-2013, 08:14 PM
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But you're probably correct!
02-10-2013, 08:14 PM
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Where's 80kts? On baby doody?
02-10-2013, 08:30 PM
Da Hudge
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Nope! But the crew resources memo stated it won't be 1:1.
I assume the 900s will be delivered with it. About 30 of the 800s don't have it. My ever increasing juniority and the perennial rsv that has come with it has given me more than enough opportunities to survey the cabins of the Delta fleet in all the deadheads that get bestowed upon me. 
Fair enough... the light at the end of the tunnel is the airplanes showing up, but that's been damped a bit by hiring somehow continuing to always be "next year" and the "next bid" being the positive one. I guess I'm getting a bit fussy waiting for things to turn around.
I didn't know we had 73N's without IFE. Are you saying the 900's won't have it? Or we have some without now? I flew it for over a year, but didn't spend much time in the back - mercifully.
I agree there are many aspects and none can be fixed overnight. C2012 did not "make all my wildest dreams come true." All I'm continuing to say is:
1. I think we're better positioned for good things than we were prior to this contract
2. Things will get moving as the airplanes show up. It takes time to implement and we collectively have short attention spans and little patience.
and
3. We gave up some efficiencies in the work rules that the roadshows clearly laid out. We got better scope, work rules and extra $ in return. Overall I weighed it to be good enough to vote for and so I did. To each his own.
Good night all - my wife's giving me the "get off the internet" stinkeye
1. I think we're better positioned for good things than we were prior to this contract
2. Things will get moving as the airplanes show up. It takes time to implement and we collectively have short attention spans and little patience.
and
3. We gave up some efficiencies in the work rules that the roadshows clearly laid out. We got better scope, work rules and extra $ in return. Overall I weighed it to be good enough to vote for and so I did. To each his own.
Good night all - my wife's giving me the "get off the internet" stinkeye
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