Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-10-2013, 06:08 PM
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02-10-2013, 06:10 PM
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But short of a strategically defensive move(like buying AS before AA) I see zero advantage to merging with AS.
02-10-2013, 06:15 PM
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02-10-2013, 06:25 PM
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Flying much over 80 kills this pilot group, because it kills advancement. It serves some individuals by steering resources their way, at the expense of the common good, and it adds insult to injury by doing so at a lower aggregate benefit. Trying to institutionalize this is what I'm opposed to.
I would like to marginalize time above 80, not make it more lucrative. I would prefer that we negotiate rates and costs that let all pilots enjoy an acceptable standard of living, at a capped, reasonable number of hours that's likely to result in advancement, longevity, and health for all. In that context, I also want the highest possible multiplier for overtime flying.
The people whining about the GS system dry up the pool of open flying, thereby killing all reasonable chances of true premium flying that circulates through a category. Then they ask to be rewarded for it. They act as if the drying up of GS is the issue, but it is merely a symptom, of which they are the disease.
I would like to marginalize time above 80, not make it more lucrative. I would prefer that we negotiate rates and costs that let all pilots enjoy an acceptable standard of living, at a capped, reasonable number of hours that's likely to result in advancement, longevity, and health for all. In that context, I also want the highest possible multiplier for overtime flying.
The people whining about the GS system dry up the pool of open flying, thereby killing all reasonable chances of true premium flying that circulates through a category. Then they ask to be rewarded for it. They act as if the drying up of GS is the issue, but it is merely a symptom, of which they are the disease.
+777 !!!!!
The last thing we need is 12K Pilots all trying to fly 80+ hours each month.
It cracks me up seeing guys who are junior in category complaining that they don't like the current GS system and want 1.5X over 80 hours.
Be careful what you ask for - if you think stagnation is bad now lets incentivise maximum flying even more.
And just remember every time that an Inverse assignment goes out - the junior guy could have gotten a Greenslip.
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02-10-2013, 06:37 PM
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+777 !!!!!
The last thing we need is 12K Pilots all trying to fly 80+ hours each month.
It cracks me up seeing guys who are junior in category complaining that they don't like the current GS system and want 1.5X over 80 hours.
Be careful what you ask for - if you think stagnation is bad now lets incentivise maximum flying even more.
And just remember every time that an Inverse assignment goes out - the junior guy could have gotten a Greenslip.
Scoop
The last thing we need is 12K Pilots all trying to fly 80+ hours each month.
It cracks me up seeing guys who are junior in category complaining that they don't like the current GS system and want 1.5X over 80 hours.
Be careful what you ask for - if you think stagnation is bad now lets incentivise maximum flying even more.
And just remember every time that an Inverse assignment goes out - the junior guy could have gotten a Greenslip.
Scoop
02-10-2013, 06:42 PM
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02-10-2013, 06:51 PM
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It's almost sad that you keep beating the "Ed Said.." drum. PLEASE for the good of the group stop spewing Angry Pilots Association rhetoric (need I remind of the abortion scare or would you rather I pull the "fire alarm"? GMAFB) - it's nothing but divisive. Of course on 2nd thought that IS your primary goal here 
02-10-2013, 07:18 PM
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Talk about word games. Pay RATES may have gone up, but far too many of us are seeing those RATE gains neutralized by displacements. Displacements allowable by contract changes that allow us to do more flying with less pilots. I know you know this, so I wonder who you are trying to fool with this line of "reason".
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If the Negotiating Committee violated the policy manual then name the section they violated. Or are you just repeating another set of lies? The process was followed, the MEC voted, and you are just playing sour grapes because you lost.
02-10-2013, 07:23 PM
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02-10-2013, 07:33 PM
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Stagnation sucks! I'm looking forward to finally advancing as much as the next guy. I'm just saying that lashing out at the contract, ALPA or even management may be misplaced.
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