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Old 02-09-2013, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Neutral? Cost negative when all the dust settles.
Don't forget the Q2 earnings call:

Kevin Crissey - UBS
Hi. Thanks for taking my questions. CASM ex-fuel, I guess I just wanted to go back over the timeline a little bit. I think it was back say maybe October 2010, I think it was somewhere in that vicinity, you guys had targeted 2011 to be kind of flat with 2010. And then I think it was revised at your Investor Day and then you’ve cut some capacity. But what I’m trying to understand is, I didn’t see these CASM ex-fuel pressures coming and I think I didn’t see them partly because I think you guys had guided that they weren’t really there or at least one point you had guided it that way, or maybe I’m misreading it. But I wanted to understand what changed from that point to today in terms of your pressure on the CASM ex-fuel line.

Richard Anderson
This is Richard. First, if you look out over the past two years, we have pushed capacity down pretty hard. We have viewed capacity as the real lever to push our business, and it has put real pressure on our non-fuel CASM. If you look where we’ll be by the end of this year in 4Q and compare it to two years ago when we were giving that guidance, we’re going to probably be down 5% to 6% in overall system capacity and the industry is probably on the main grown a bit. So if you think about being down 5% instead of being up 1% to 2% each of those two years, the equation is very much different on the nonfuel line.

The second piece is, is that we have along the way made investments that are the right investments in our product, in our employees, and you can see it in our revenue performance versus the industry. Hence our drive to drive another $1 billion of structural costs out and our push in the refinery to make up on a total basis, total unit cost basis, those inflationary pressures that we see.

Ed Bastian
And I’d say the other thing, Kevin, there that we did not necessarily forecast or see coming as clearly is the opportunity we had with our pilots to do the contract early. It’s going to pay significant dividends over time as it will have a big cost return to it, not just in terms of improved productivity, but the ability to fairly substantially restructure the domestic fleet. But that those costs came in right away so that’s in our September guidance as well, and that was another big piece.
I guess it makes sense, if you keep cutting capacity it drives up your non fuel CASM. So the last thing you're going to do is increase CASM with a pilot contract. You can give a pay increase but the whole package needs to be one that reduces pressure on CASM ex fuel right?

Well, getting rid of most 50 seaters for 76 seaters was huge.

The revenue opportunity is substantial. We’ve said any number of times the 50-seaters have been the perfect storm for us because not only is it a cost opportunity, it’s also an airplane our customers don’t particularly prefer. So as we up-gauge, and that was sitting behind the 717 strategy and that’s why they are linked at some level as well as getting some incremental two-class 76-seat RJs, we’re going to have a fairly substantial up gauge in margin improvement, cost reductions, some revenue enhancements. And from the capital efficiency standpoint, with where we were able to acquire the 717s is going to improve those returns all the more. So it was a win all the ways around.
. I am with Scambo, the 717s were coming anyways. They have been talking about the 717s since SWA rolled up on AirTran and said "what's up..." To say that huge complex deal was contingent on pilots signing a contract was just farcical.

First, the combination of our new pilot contract and this acquisition of the 717s allows us to accelerate our domestic fleet restructuring. We expect the 717s and the new 737-900ERs that begin delivering next year as well as bringing in 21 additional low capital MD-90s will allow us to retire older mainline aircraft and at least 200 50-seat regional jets over the next two to three years.

The retirement of the 50-seat regional jets is one of the single biggest opportunity costs we have. The up-gauging strategy will improve our efficiency by lowering our unit costs while simultaneously improving our product while maintaining our capacity discipline. Secondly, we are aligning our head count with our reduced capacity and recently had over 2,000 employees elect to participate in our voluntary early retirement program. These employees will retire by the end of the year with limited backfill, which will continue to result in improved productivity.
So here is the question, we clearly reduced our head count at the airline to be in line with our reductions in capacity. So why in the world do we think we are exempt from that as pilots?

9000+

Being smaller requires lower CASM and fewer people to compete with gigantic UAL and AMR, does it not?

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Old 02-09-2013, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Just correcting the Internet board misinformation. The fact that there wasn't a seat lock on new hire awards was what astounded me.

What did astound me was that you had recovery language at all. The system in place is still archaic.
Delta wouldn't have it any other way!!!

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Old 02-09-2013, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Flamer
Neutral? Cost negative when all the dust settles. Hope all the yes voters were happy with their last paycheck. I wasn't astounded.

I was just trying to be reasonable. I actually agree with you.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29

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Let's just hope Tahoe has something in it for us.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Thrust Normal
FWIW the new hire seat lock didn't come in with this contract. I believe it came with the LOA that reduced our OE and some recovery obligations.
Correct. It removed all recovery obligation when removed for OE. If you do not think this is a big deal, look at all of the retirements and ensuing training in the next ten years. DAL has LCA's bid for lines and cannot hold back the corresponding B Rotation so all of those trips will be removed with no obligation. It also means that as we are short, those pilots can go and WS or GS a rotation for pay on top of the pay they receive for the removed rotation.

If I recall correctly, the quid was a 12 month seat lock for new hires.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Let's just hope Tahoe has something in it for us.
Tahoe, will have items in it directly for Flight Ops, but not for the near term. Our FPS will talked directly to it and will adjust accordingly. (New FPS will be developed to do this) Its a huge IT work-over and my guess is the tangible items for us will be 24-36 months out.
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot

Tahoe, will have items in it directly for Flight Ops, but not for the near term. Our FPS will talked directly to it and will adjust accordingly. (New FPS will be developed to do this) Its a huge IT work-over and my guess is the tangible items for us will be 24-36 months out.
Considering the quality of the off the shelf products out there like Sabre, FLiCA, and the Jeppesen stuff, about the best thing I can say is "better late than never".
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Old 02-09-2013, 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I used to not like The Big Bang Theory at all, but it's been growing on me. The study is still out as to why.

Ahhhhhhhhh you young whipper snappers get off my lawn. While cute, a real woman ...............well never mind

Ok, only Scambo and I probably know who she is anyway

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Old 02-09-2013, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
As a pilot, I do not believe we are able to travel while sick or disabled at all. Everyone I've known who has done it has to get a special allowance from the CPO. Got no idea how it works for the other employee groups, but, it kinda makes sense that the Company would prioritize people trying to get to / from work before those who are on leave with perhaps more flexible schedules.
You can't travel while on sick leave, unless the CPO approves. Once you go onto disability, you have unlimited S3B travel.
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
As a pilot, I do not believe we are able to travel while sick or disabled at all. Everyone I've known who has done it has to get a special allowance from the CPO. Got no idea how it works for the other employee groups, but, it kinda makes sense that the Company would prioritize people trying to get to / from work before those who are on leave with perhaps more flexible schedules.
Disabled pilots have unlimited s3b passes. Sick pilots require CP approval. Quick phone call to the CPS office.
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