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Old 02-08-2013, 06:48 AM
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Why not, we have with everyone else

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Have we applied for JV with KE?
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
And then there's this:

What entrepreneurs starting family businesses can learn from the demise of Japanese temple builder Kongo Gumi
The world's oldest continuously operating family business ended its impressive run last year. Japanese temple builder Kongo Gumi, in operation under the founders' descendants since 578, succumbed to excess debt and an unfavorable business climate in 2006.
How do you make a family business last for 14 centuries? Kongo Gumi's case suggests that it's a good idea to operate in a stable industry. Few industries could be less flighty than Buddhist temple construction. The belief system has survived for thousands of years and has many millions of adherents. With this firm foundation, Kongo had survived some tumultuous times, notably the 19th century Meiji restoration when it lost government subsidies and began building commercial buildings for the first time. But temple construction had until recently been a reliable mainstay, contributing 80% of Kongo Gumi's $67.6 million in 2004 revenues.
Keys to Success
Kongo Gumi also boasted some internal positives that enabled it to survive for centuries. Its last president, Masakazu Kongo, was the 40th member of the family to lead the company. He has cited the company's flexibility in selecting leaders as a key factor in its longevity. Specifically, rather than always handing reins to the oldest son, Kongo Gumi chose the son who best exhibited the health, responsibility, and talent for the job. Furthermore, it wasn't always a son. The 38th Kongo to lead the company was Masakazu's grandmother.
Another factor that contributed to Kongo Gumi's extended existence was the practice of sons-in-law taking the family name when they joined the family firm. This common Japanese practice allowed the company to continue under the same name, even when there were no sons in a given generation.
So if you want your family business to last a long time, the story of Kongo Gumi says you should mingle elements of conservatism and flexibility—stay in the same business for more than a millennium and vary from the principle of primogeniture as needed to preserve the company. The combination allowed Kongo Gumi to survive some notable hard times, such as when it switched temporarily to crafting coffins during World War II.
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The circumstances of Kongo Gumi's demise also offer some lessons. Despite its incredible history, it was a set of ordinary circumstances that brought Kongo Gumi down at last. Two factors were primarily responsible. First, during the 1980s bubble economy in Japan, the company borrowed heavily to invest in real estate. After the bubble burst in the 1992-93 recession, the assets secured by Kongo Gumi's debt shrank in value. Second, social changes in Japan brought about declining contributions to temples. As a result, demand for Kongo Gumi's temple-building services dropped sharply beginning in 1998.
By 2004, revenues were down 35%. Masakazu Kongo laid off employees and tightened budgets. But in 2006, the end arrived. The company's borrowings had ballooned to $343 million and it was no longer possible to service the debt. In January, the company's assets were acquired by Takamatsu, a large Japanese construction company, and it was absorbed into a subsidiary.
To sum up the lessons of Kongo Gumi's long tenure and ultimate failure: Pick a stable industry and create flexible succession policies. To avoid a similar demise, evolve as business conditions require, but don't get carried away with temporary enthusiasms and sacrifice financial stability for what looks like an opportunity. These lessons are somewhat contradictory and paradoxical, to be sure. But if sustained success came easy, then all family businesses would have a 1,428-year run.


1947 was yesterday, and if we aren't making money......
I don't know what all that was, I didn't read it and won't; I was just posting about a historic route coming to an end.
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
If I empty the dishwasher, I'm in!!
You have a dishwasher? wowwwwwww.... cooooool.

(We really do not have one)

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Old 02-08-2013, 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by contrails
I don't know what all that was, I didn't read it and won't; I was just posting about a historic route coming to an end.
Kongo Gumi was a business in Japan that ran for 1500 years. When they didn't make money anymore, they shut down. "The times they are a changing."
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
That was almost exclusively due to horrible mismanagement.
Agreed.


But now that we have (much) better management, why not bring it back with avengance? A vengance? Evengalist?

We're bringing cargo back, yeah! Those mother shrinkers don't know how to act, yeah!

But srsly, let's bring cargo back. 747-800's plz.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by capncrunch
Obviously NYC based but where is home? Just curious.
California. It's not a question of seniority, its more about choices people make to improve their QOL. I'm on the ER in NY because not that many people senior to me want to live in NY and don't want to commute there either. It seems at United its the same thing, not that many senior people want to live in NJ or commute there either, so we see junior people upgrading earlier.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Question, hard non-fly days are golden days and the like, not just an X day, right?

So a reserve pilot on LC or SC prior to a hard day off is released at 1200. But if you're not going into a hard non-fly day then you're on until the day is over on the SC period is over, right?
Ah, figured it out. Only released at 1200 going into hard non fly day whether lc or sc.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:34 AM
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Well, I called the scheds to see if they would release me from 23k and they said not unless I did a pd for that SXM turn tomorrow. I feel like I just watched the last helicopter get out of Saigon. JFK is getting to be a ghost town. Now watch me get stuck at the crashpad oasis. Oh well.
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by hoserpilot
Hmm. I'd make a comment about our current leader but it might be construed as too political. The word "commie" comes to mind though.......

I wonder what our five year plan is???
The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx

They'll get it right this time, they promise.
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Originally Posted by CheapTrick
My wife finds the granite a turn off if it hasn't been pre warmed.
I ah, I see what you did there.
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