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01-28-2013, 09:18 AM

#121241

scambo1

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

Uh, I thought we got SWA pay and staffing efficiencies in C2012?

Remember, our surveys demanded :
1. SWA yesterday pay, tomorrow x 3 years,
2. SWA work rules today and
3. SWA scope never.

I mean thats what we got, so therefore thats what we must have demanded in the surveys.

Interestingly, I do believe Alfa did tell us we got SWA pay also.

01-28-2013, 09:40 AM

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scambo1

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Originally Posted by slowplay

And at that payrate WN pilots get zero in retirement contributions. Delta guys will have 15%. With WN's max contribution (9.3% matching, requiring a 10% pilot contribution) their hourly rate is $194.60, and a total cash compensation rate of $236.33. The Delta total rate will be $249.46.

Sorry Alfa,

It was slowplay.

01-28-2013, 09:56 AM

#121243

georgetg

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Last edited by georgetg; 01-28-2013 at 09:57 AM. Reason: Relax, nothing to see here, It's all just TIC

01-28-2013, 10:25 AM

#121244

Falcon7

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Originally Posted by scambo1

Interestingly, I do believe Alfa did tell us we got SWA pay also.

Just going off the APC pay rate table, but I'd rather get paid $204/hr + 14% DC & 401k contribution, for an effective hourly rate of $232.56, than get paid $216/hr and have a 9.3% matching 401k.

For the record, I don't want SWA work rules and scheduling efficiencies. IMO it would have a terrible impact on staffing.

01-28-2013, 10:35 AM

#121245

forgot to bid

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcon7

For the record, I don't want SWA work rules and scheduling efficiencies. IMO it would have a terrible impact on staffing.

I agree. .............

01-28-2013, 10:40 AM

#121246

Jack Bauer

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Originally Posted by Falcon7

But if you had SWA scope most first officers at Delta would be captains right now.

01-28-2013, 10:49 AM

#121247

forgot to bid

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Originally Posted by Falcon7

Just going off the APC pay rate table, but I'd rather get paid $204/hr + 14% DC & 401k contribution, for an effective hourly rate of $232.56, than get paid $216/hr and have a 9.3% matching 401k.

Here is a question, would SWA pilots swap the pay system and rates they have right now with ours?

That's probably a decent question to ask "The Others."

I mean $216 x 79 hours > $204 x 72 hours + 14% and a lot more than what 88/90 pilots get for flying similar sized aircraft on similar routes. They seem to do a lot better than straight rate x hours and some claim have a lot of days off, more than us.

Well, actually, when you have 37 guys on reserve and 4 or 5 of them have 0 hours, 0 short calls and 0 raw scores for the month, that's probably hard to beat. Glad we can have guys in Bucket 3 with others with 0 hours over the same days of availability. But who am I to point that out?

01-28-2013, 11:01 AM

#121248

Sink r8

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Disregard.

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01-28-2013, 11:04 AM

#121249

johnso29

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Originally Posted by Jack Bauer

But if you had SWA scope most first officers at Delta would be captains right now.

And the same for AA, Us Air, UAL, JB, and Alaska. Except Alaska has zero scope protection.

01-28-2013, 11:10 AM

#121250

johnso29

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Originally Posted by Timbo

I've got a couple Senior Momma F/A friends who work a lot of sports charters, mostly out of BOS. They tell me that the best behaved groups are the hockey teams.

I think it's probably because the hockey players are younger than most of the others.

Oh, and they all said Larry Bird is a prick...

Personally, I think it's the culture of the leagues and the culture of the league's players.

Example-Many NBA players threw a fit when the NBA enforced a sideline dresscode. Several stated that the league could not tell them what to wear while they watched the games from the sidelines due to injury. It's only the league that pays them their salary.