Did they ever really solve the icing issues with that thing? I remember when that one went down after holding in a snow storm going into ORD, they sent them to San Juan.

As a "retired" ATR pilot, the plane carries ice as well as any other turboprop. Roselawn was caused by the Captain's absence. He was occupied in the "forward bedroom". The FO cancelled the aileron trim AP warning dozens of times in the Captain's absence. The signs were there to prevent the crash, just nobody was there to see them.

R1

01-25-2013, 05:47 PM

#121112

cni187

Doing Nothing

Joined APC: Aug 2010

Posts: 1,316

80 and Johnso thanks. When the last one was born I bid for the week off right around his due date and got it (had to because I was with the company less than a year). He came a bit early and the Duty officer hooked me up with a ride home and dropped the rest of my rotation. I'm gonna try that again this time with the X days. With an 80 hour guarantee don't want to miss out on the bread.

01-25-2013, 06:01 PM

#121113

Bucking Bar

Can't abide NAI

Joined APC: Jun 2007

Position: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler

Posts: 12,037

Quote:

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Just for info icing had nothing to do with the Colgan accident. You can read the transcripts on the NTSB website. So many mistakes you can hardly count them all but the basics were they pulled the props to fine pitch and throttles to idle to slow down. Never pushed the power up and got the stick pusher. Captain over powered the pusher and the copilot decided to raise the flaps. The result we all know.

Sailing is right. Unless a pilot is familiar with the drag created by props flat to the wind it is nearly unbelievable how quickly the airplane can slow down and go down. The pilots lost the airplane because they could not handle reconfiguring it.

Razorback also makes a good point. Wasn't the prop brake just the coolest thing?

Interesting factoid ... the Concorde used rubber de-ice boots

01-25-2013, 06:04 PM

#121114

forgot to bid

veut gagner à la loterie

Joined APC: Apr 2008

Position: Light Chop

Posts: 23,286

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razorback one

So the accident could have been prevented if ATR hadn't put a space between the cockpit and cabin?

I think I should put a green smile face but its probably not appropriate. So.... tic?

01-25-2013, 06:04 PM

#121115

Columbia

Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Aug 2010

Posts: 2,530

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wasatch Phantom

Okay... So I'm "appreciating the quality of this post" when my girlfriend comes over with a cocktail, sees the photo and announces "That's a bottle of Patron".

I busted out laughing. Who the **ck cares what the bottle is?

Lindsey Lohan?