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01-25-2013, 12:35 PM
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Can the peeps there do that? I also have a week of vacation in Oct. Can they move that as well? Thanks for the info. I found the fmla stuff on dlnet but would rather not do that since will prob only need 2 weeks until the in laws take over.
01-25-2013, 12:36 PM
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Agreed on their skills.
Their reaction was exactly what was spread around for the recovery from a tail stall... it's too similar. I'll agree to disagree with you and the NTSB on that one.
I was particularly astounded at how the FO just sat there like a bump on a log and let the CA kill her. That's another main place where my suspicion that they both thought it was a tail stall comes from.
Their reaction was exactly what was spread around for the recovery from a tail stall... it's too similar. I'll agree to disagree with you and the NTSB on that one.
I was particularly astounded at how the FO just sat there like a bump on a log and let the CA kill her. That's another main place where my suspicion that they both thought it was a tail stall comes from.
The aircraft stalled at the normal stall speed for their configuration. Ice was as mentioned not a factor. They were told to slow down. They went to a high drag configuration and let the aircraft stall with the throttles at idle. The FO did not sit like a bump on a log. She retracted the flaps and doomed any recovery attempt.
01-25-2013, 12:40 PM
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The recovery technique for tail stall shown in class was to decrease power not increase power...... Here is a great simplified version of the findings and investigations.
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/speeches/...CAA-100212.pdf
We have a pilot that works for us whose wife was a NTSB accident investigator on this crash. I had the opportunity to fly with him on multiple trips and discuss the details of the crash at length, pretty cut and dry really.
On another note I have a friend who is the lead program manager for a -8 program for a regional carrier. He spoke with De-Havilland about the crash and their test pilots and engineers said that after reviewing the data if the crew had done nothing except add power the plan would have regained controlled flight!
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/speeches/...CAA-100212.pdf
We have a pilot that works for us whose wife was a NTSB accident investigator on this crash. I had the opportunity to fly with him on multiple trips and discuss the details of the crash at length, pretty cut and dry really.
On another note I have a friend who is the lead program manager for a -8 program for a regional carrier. He spoke with De-Havilland about the crash and their test pilots and engineers said that after reviewing the data if the crew had done nothing except add power the plan would have regained controlled flight!
They both may very well have just been grabbing at whatever they could since they didn't understand why the airplane started yelling at them and then departed controlled flight. Like I said, his reaction exactly fits what I saw many people his profile do.
You're absolutely right on the last part... they held the airplane in an out of control state sealing their fate.
01-25-2013, 12:45 PM
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The aircraft stalled at the normal stall speed for their configuration. Ice was as mentioned not a factor. They were told to slow down. They went to a high drag configuration and let the aircraft stall with the throttles at idle. The FO did not sit like a bump on a log. She retracted the flaps and doomed any recovery attempt.
We all already know what you posted.
What we're discussing is why they did what they did.
01-25-2013, 12:47 PM
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My youngest was born 12/2011. Call your Chief pilot and talk to him. He will work with you and walk you through the steps to take. You can try to shift your vacation via iCrew. I think you can get the time off you need without FMLA. At the very least, you would likely be able to move your X days around via iCrew after your schedule was awarded.
However if you call your Chief pilot ahead of time and keep him in the loop, I think they'll glady help you get the time off.
01-25-2013, 12:48 PM
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01-25-2013, 12:51 PM
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I agree with 80 on this but I'm very open to the idea the Captain wasn't thinking tail stall and was just screwing up, but what if the FO thought it was a tail stall and pulled up the flaps? Making the problem unrecoverable.
As to the NTSB, I think they miss stuff sometimes.
Either way, I think ATR would be idiotic to put boots on that ATR-90 or whatever it is. I think they're idiots to put them on Dash 8s and ATRs now, but that's just me. I had an engineer explain why Citations and the small Embraer jet still use them but if the P180 lives without them, why not a jet?
As to the NTSB, I think they miss stuff sometimes.
Either way, I think ATR would be idiotic to put boots on that ATR-90 or whatever it is. I think they're idiots to put them on Dash 8s and ATRs now, but that's just me. I had an engineer explain why Citations and the small Embraer jet still use them but if the P180 lives without them, why not a jet?
Move the flap handle....shaker goes off....oh crap, undo what I just did,
01-25-2013, 12:54 PM
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I took 2 weeks as well... that was plenty of time to get mama bear stabilized. Having the in-laws near will definitely help out and relieve stress on her.
01-25-2013, 12:55 PM
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01-25-2013, 01:23 PM
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here's another dot:
two dozen current generation 320/737-family aircraft for 1B cash and a trade for some 50-seat RJs..
Delta Said to Talk With Airbus, Boeing on Jet Purchase - Bloomberg
Cheers
George
two dozen current generation 320/737-family aircraft for 1B cash and a trade for some 50-seat RJs..
Delta Said to Talk With Airbus, Boeing on Jet Purchase - Bloomberg
Cheers
George
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