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Old 01-25-2013, 06:34 AM
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^^^ I so hope we get this thing at mainline. I want to fly whatever it is. Maybe it'll look like this:


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Old 01-25-2013, 07:37 AM
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Wow. Glad the DAL PWA definition for permitted aircraft is now "aircraft" and not just "jet" aircraft.

Of course, ALL aircraft would be better... But it takes a long time to "unscrew" that mess.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:55 AM
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I have APU silencer envy.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:09 AM
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Why don't we see more ATRs around the USA? It seems the Q400 is a hangar queen, although Horizon has proven it can be dispatch reliable. Are ATRs expensive? Or are buyers holding out for the NextGen?
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:21 AM
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Why don't we see more ATRs around the USA? It seems the Q400 is a hangar queen, although Horizon has proven it can be dispatch reliable. Are ATRs expensive? Or are buyers holding out for the NextGen?
Did they ever really solve the icing issues with that thing? I remember when that one went down after holding in a snow storm going into ORD, they sent them to San Juan.
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Why don't we see more ATRs around the USA? It seems the Q400 is a hangar queen, although Horizon has proven it can be dispatch reliable. Are ATRs expensive? Or are buyers holding out for the NextGen?
The Roselawn accident changed turboprop sales. They went from convenient, inexpensive airplanes that did a great job connecting to the hub to death machines. I believe for a while their known ice certification was suspending, making it a little hard to fly north of Nashville in the winter.

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Although not the only turboprop accident in the 90s, it showed a problem with the de-icing capabilities that made the public wary of "small planes"
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Old 01-25-2013, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
The Roselawn accident changed turboprop sales. They went from convenient, inexpensive airplanes that did a great job connecting to the hub to death machines. I believe for a while their known ice certification was suspending, making it a little hard to fly north of Nashville in the winter.

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Yup, that's the one I was thinking about, and then of course there was the Colgan turboprop in ice...

I flew cancelled checks in an AC690 for over 4000 hours out of BOS-LGA-DET, all winter, it didn't ice up like that, but we never held in that crap, being late at night, we always came in high and hot. But we also rubbed Future Floor Polish on the boots before we took off! Otherwise the ice would stick and build up. The noise it made coming off the props would sure get your attention!
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Did they ever really solve the icing issues with that thing? I remember when that one went down after holding in a snow storm going into ORD, they sent them to San Juan.
No, I don't think so. But TranStates airlines operated them out of STL for years after that accident. I guess it's still just the "scary turboprop" mentality that's keeping them away. I think they'll be coming back though.

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The Roselawn accident changed turboprop sales. They went from convenient, inexpensive airplanes that did a great job connecting to the hub to death machines. I believe for a while their known ice certification was suspending, making it a little hard to fly north of Nashville in the winter.

American Eagle Flight 4184 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although not the only turboprop accident in the 90s, it showed a problem with the de-icing capabilities that made the public wary of "small planes"
Yeah, I remember that accident. I still shudder thinking about how fast the aircraft was going when it hit the ground.
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Yup, that's the one I was thinking about, and then of course there was the Colgan turboprop in ice...
I don't usually armchair QB, but the investigation shows that the Colgan accident really should've been avoided. Very poor airmanship on the crew's part.


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I flew cancelled checks in an AC690 for over 4000 hours out of BOS-LGA-DET, all winter, it didn't ice up like that, but we never held in that crap, being late at night, we always came in high and hot. But we also rubbed Future Floor Polish on the boots before we took off! Otherwise the ice would stick and build up. The noise it made coming off the props would sure get your attention!
Yikes! Who needs coffee when you're flying in those conditions?
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Old 01-25-2013, 09:22 AM
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Love it...................

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