Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-20-2013, 08:24 AM
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01-20-2013, 08:30 AM
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And Scoop another point:
Your logic is going to be even more pertinent, when we start negotiating over the Virgin Atlantic TA. I suspect this one is going to be sold based on future results: "This is what's going to happen", and "here are the benefits we will get out of this TA". Rather than a faith-based approach, we're going to need percentages upfront, hard numbers, hard dates, and harder penalties. No reconciliation period, no resets, and no code placed on each-other's flights until each side is doing their appropriate share of flying.
Your logic is going to be even more pertinent, when we start negotiating over the Virgin Atlantic TA. I suspect this one is going to be sold based on future results: "This is what's going to happen", and "here are the benefits we will get out of this TA". Rather than a faith-based approach, we're going to need percentages upfront, hard numbers, hard dates, and harder penalties. No reconciliation period, no resets, and no code placed on each-other's flights until each side is doing their appropriate share of flying.
01-20-2013, 08:31 AM
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And Scoop another point:
Your logic is going to be even more pertinent, when we start negotiating over the Virgin Atlantic TA. I suspect this one is going to be sold based on future results: "This is what's going to happen", and "here are the benefits we will get out of this TA". Rather than a faith-based approach, we're going to need percentages upfront, hard numbers, hard dates, and harder penalties. No reconciliation period, no resets, and no code placed on each-other's flights until each side is doing their appropriate share of flying.
Your logic is going to be even more pertinent, when we start negotiating over the Virgin Atlantic TA. I suspect this one is going to be sold based on future results: "This is what's going to happen", and "here are the benefits we will get out of this TA". Rather than a faith-based approach, we're going to need percentages upfront, hard numbers, hard dates, and harder penalties. No reconciliation period, no resets, and no code placed on each-other's flights until each side is doing their appropriate share of flying.
01-20-2013, 08:32 AM
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01-20-2013, 09:09 AM
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Standard text: To T and any other LCA out there who can chime...
Personally, I'm okay with DAL putting anything in their books they want and I will try to adapt to doing it the "right" way, but please, please tell me/us that the standard text initiative is an attemp to quit changing the books and the procedures to finally get it right.
Personally, I'm okay with DAL putting anything in their books they want and I will try to adapt to doing it the "right" way, but please, please tell me/us that the standard text initiative is an attemp to quit changing the books and the procedures to finally get it right.
01-20-2013, 09:13 AM
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Standard text: To T and any other LCA out there who can chime...
Personally, I'm okay with DAL putting anything in their books they want and I will try to adapt to doing it the "right" way, but please, please tell me/us that the standard text initiative is an attemp to quit changing the books and the procedures to finally get it right.
Personally, I'm okay with DAL putting anything in their books they want and I will try to adapt to doing it the "right" way, but please, please tell me/us that the standard text initiative is an attemp to quit changing the books and the procedures to finally get it right.
01-20-2013, 09:20 AM
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Really? What airplanes? And what's the definition of "near term"? And how do you figure they'll come over the course of a decade? When did DALPA say we would need 3000 pilots as a result of the contract?
01-20-2013, 09:23 AM
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The problem with the SD "we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year" memo on June 8th, it came a bit too close to the vote to be anything but trying to up the ante to get this thing passed.
In the meantime we heard on here the 717 meant 500 pilots, 750 pilots, 800 pilots, 900, 1000, 1200, 1000, 1200, etc.
To be honest, I don't doubt that Flight Ops wanted to hire just to save face with the pilot group next time they make a promise in a memo. But that's the thing, get it writing or it doesn't mean anything.
I have a feeling as time passes we're going to see Pinnacle Pilots left holding the bag, just like anyone who was hoping the 717 meant hiring. And just maybe 2012-2013 will be the last time we accept things without having them in writing and not a vague promise in a memo, and in hard numbers, not in questionable ratios.
In the meantime we heard on here the 717 meant 500 pilots, 750 pilots, 800 pilots, 900, 1000, 1200, 1000, 1200, etc.
To be honest, I don't doubt that Flight Ops wanted to hire just to save face with the pilot group next time they make a promise in a memo. But that's the thing, get it writing or it doesn't mean anything.
I have a feeling as time passes we're going to see Pinnacle Pilots left holding the bag, just like anyone who was hoping the 717 meant hiring. And just maybe 2012-2013 will be the last time we accept things without having them in writing and not a vague promise in a memo, and in hard numbers, not in questionable ratios.
01-20-2013, 09:25 AM
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01-20-2013, 09:54 AM
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Okay football fans, I'm whoring myself out.
I have the kiss of death as a football fan this year, the teams I cheered for lost, the teams I cheered against, won. My track record was near perfect ruined only by my good friends in South Carolina, later College Station and then those Panthers at home against the Falcons.
So, just let me know who you want me to cheer for and I will. Want the Falcons to lose? I'll cheer for the cheesy Matty Ice Falcons. 49ers out? I'll cheer for Tattoo Man.
Right now, I'm cheering for the FALCONS and the RAVENS. RISE UP!!!!!! But I can be persuaded.
I have the kiss of death as a football fan this year, the teams I cheered for lost, the teams I cheered against, won. My track record was near perfect ruined only by my good friends in South Carolina, later College Station and then those Panthers at home against the Falcons.
So, just let me know who you want me to cheer for and I will. Want the Falcons to lose? I'll cheer for the cheesy Matty Ice Falcons. 49ers out? I'll cheer for Tattoo Man.
Right now, I'm cheering for the FALCONS and the RAVENS. RISE UP!!!!!! But I can be persuaded.
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