hockeypilot44

The only place I read about a hint of hiring was when our TA was up for vote. I am done reading these updates. It was always pretty obvious to me that we are still a few years away from hiring. I did not vote for the TA, but when it passed, I was really hoping we would hire because we were told we could hire as early as 4th quarter last year. That never happened. Now these same updates are saying we could hire as early as 2014. I agree with the above post. Nothing changed. We are on about the most predictable path possible. It is obvious there was never any plans for immediate hiring. These updates are political in nature and used to manipulate the pilot group. I am now one less member in the audience. I'd also like to add the one recently mentioned that all Pinnacle pilots with meet our hiring standards in a very politically correct way. I would not be surprised if the so called "vault letter" letting the "Gulfstream pilots of Pinnacle" come over actually exists.

Bucking Bar

Yep. I think you are exactly correct. Some think we should accept what GoJets / Teamsters did and move on. But, they caused a lot of harm and that is an example where ALPA fought the good fight for this profession.

Bucking Bar

You make a pragmatic point. In the past you have also advocated the importance of following procedure. As you stated, "process matters." Process particularly matters to the guy who loses the debate. Organizational rules exist to protect the minority view, since the majority is usually adept at taking care of itself.

In this matter, I believe my MEC's action was appropriate given the political reality that the deal was already done, debate prior to the February MEC meeting would have been unlikely to change anything.

Perhaps consideration should be given to refining the MEC Admin manual to more thoroughly consider the idea of virtual meetings. As a line guy, I would like a provision for members to view open sessions and to address the MEC, as allowed by the Chairman, in similar fashion to what we allow in meetings were all are present.

Superdad

I was on the frontline of that battle, and trust me, they didn't want to fight...

That battle illustrates what I try to tell guys who constantly bash ALPA. ALPA is only as good as the people who volunteer.

Jack Bauer

It's funny and it hurts because it's ridiculously true.

Jack Bauer

One of these decades ignorant pilots will learn to think for themselves. When carrots are dangled (ie talk of new planes, net positive growth, hiring, etc) they will laugh and realize it's the same nonsense management/ALPA sold and burned them with the last several times. Until this enlightenment occurs prepare for even more outsourcing, productivity, poorer quality of life and stagnation. It's understandable the senior guys will always go for the money grab to pad the ol retirement. For those at the middle or bottom of the list that vote yes for these things, please ask someone to slap you silly in the face until you can knock free whatever it is that makes your judgement decay when faced with a little salesmanship and koolaid. Send back that $1000 vacuum cleaner while you're at it.

Bucking Bar

Just when I finally start to spool down, you have to go and write that.

sailingfun

Every airframe they dangled is coming exactly as planned on the exact delivery schedule they postulated prior to contract ratification.

80ktsClamp

It's too bad the new bodies and retirements that were dangled didn't transpire.

acl65pilot

I think we are talking past each other. My response was on why a meeting via conference call would be called, and was not saying that a conference call was had or that the pinnacle questions that the MEC may or may not have would have been dealt with via a special meeting via conference call. As far as I know there was no special meeting, or conference call but it may have occurred, I am just not aware of it.