Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-16-2013, 06:52 PM
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Years ago, I was roundly criticized here for referring to our ALPA President as "Kim Jong Moak." I called him that because I saw the beginnings of dictatorial behavior. When he signs this agreement, he will prove my point. Now, will our reps impeach him? It's doable because I'm sure FDX and UAL/CAL are mortified at what they're witnessing. If we don't/can't impeach him, we need to secede from this "union." Not overthrow it, secede from it.
Carl
01-16-2013, 06:53 PM
Can't abide NAI
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Are you just like Hornets Nest and all up in here alleging people posting stuff that isn't real?
01-16-2013, 06:53 PM
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I don't care for it either Bar. I care even less for defending the entity that performs the malfeasance as worthy of being ongoing.
This is exactly what Mr. Moak is trying to show we Delta pilots who threw out his hand-picked MEC Chairman, and elected new reps who ran on returning to a bottom-up representation union. When Mr. Moak signs the Pinnacle agreement, he will be showing these new insolent reps (and the insolent pilots they "represent") that ALPA national decides what will be in your contract...period. The only question is: Will our new reps go to the mat on this, or will they roll over? If they roll over, spending money on a local chapter of ALPA is a total waste of time and money. Because we will be completely irrelevant.
Carl
This is exactly what Mr. Moak is trying to show we Delta pilots who threw out his hand-picked MEC Chairman, and elected new reps who ran on returning to a bottom-up representation union. When Mr. Moak signs the Pinnacle agreement, he will be showing these new insolent reps (and the insolent pilots they "represent") that ALPA national decides what will be in your contract...period. The only question is: Will our new reps go to the mat on this, or will they roll over? If they roll over, spending money on a local chapter of ALPA is a total waste of time and money. Because we will be completely irrelevant.
Carl
01-16-2013, 06:54 PM
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Interesting analogy. When Mr. Moak signs this agreement, it will be the equivalent of the US President ignoring the US Constitution, the Congress and the Supreme Court, and writing law. Then executing that law. If that happened, the House would impeach the President and the Senate would convict and remove him. If the Congress did not remove him, it would mean we have a dictatorship and the government must be overthrown.
Years ago, I was roundly criticized here for referring to our ALPA President as "Kim Jong Moak." I called him that because I saw the beginnings of dictatorial behavior. When he signs this agreement, he will prove my point. Now, will our reps impeach him? It's doable because I'm sure FDX and UAL/CAL are mortified at what they're witnessing. If we don't/can't impeach him, we need to secede from this "union." Not overthrow it, secede from it.
Carl
Years ago, I was roundly criticized here for referring to our ALPA President as "Kim Jong Moak." I called him that because I saw the beginnings of dictatorial behavior. When he signs this agreement, he will prove my point. Now, will our reps impeach him? It's doable because I'm sure FDX and UAL/CAL are mortified at what they're witnessing. If we don't/can't impeach him, we need to secede from this "union." Not overthrow it, secede from it.
Carl
01-16-2013, 06:54 PM
Can't abide NAI
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Interesting analogy. When Mr. Moak signs this agreement, it will be the equivalent of the US President ignoring the US Constitution, the Congress and the Supreme Court, and writing law. Then executing that law. If that happened, the House would impeach the President and the Senate would convict and remove him. If the Congress did not remove him, it would mean we have a dictatorship and the government must be overthrown.
Carl
Carl
Grrrrrr, because suitcases
01-16-2013, 06:56 PM
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The revenge of the angry red book guy comes out again. Look at your heroes at USAPA getting run over now by events a new union will not help you in your quest. Just wait until two years from now when the fences come down, you will be able to hear carl scream all the way from Florida.
As to your last point, Carl is plenty senior enough to hold whatever he wants...
01-16-2013, 06:59 PM
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Carl
01-16-2013, 07:02 PM
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Every dictator both past and present shared that "skill". They were all ultimately defeated.
They may not be able to change a legally binding agreement, but they can make Mr. Moak pay for it with his job. Our reps need to mobilize the FDX and UAL/CAL camps and remove Mr. Moak immediately. Anything less is to admit our irrelevance.
Carl
They may not be able to change a legally binding agreement, but they can make Mr. Moak pay for it with his job. Our reps need to mobilize the FDX and UAL/CAL camps and remove Mr. Moak immediately. Anything less is to admit our irrelevance.
Carl
Because, suitcase!
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01-16-2013, 07:12 PM
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01-16-2013, 08:06 PM
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You respond with hysterical indignation. It seems something is making you a little uncomfortable...or perhaps you are trying to distract the readers from something? Was there a question you didn't answer? I don't recall seeing your answer about contributions?
I do somewhat agree with you about what is important (I actually am not 100% convinced that maintaining the union as an ongoing entity is an important goal in and of itself - the union is after all a means to an end). On the other hand, if you think posting here is a contribution to what is important, you're deluding yourself. You're posting on an anonymous web board. Virtually nothing positive comes from these boards. On their best day they are a waste of valuable time.
The reason I post rarely (43 now!) is because I don't want to get into any discussion that never ends. So why do I post at all? Not because of some secret political allies. Sometimes I feel that your little clique of APC junkies is doing is exactly what people accuse the DAL MEC of doing: Group think. I think you guys need someone to challenge you on your mutual reinforcement of whispers, rumors and paranoid speculation. That's the only time I post (think about the moniker). Otherwise, I read this site once or twice a month because I think it's a depressing and pointless time suck. My low post count is a source of pride to me as your seemingly endless musings are a source of comfort to you.
What office is held by the people pulling your string? Or are they [something]-elect?
Last edited by hornetsnest; 01-16-2013 at 08:22 PM.
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