Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-15-2013, 01:28 PM
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Delta now plans to fire our management to streamline the airline. That's the ultimate goal here, they have us negotiating directly with DAL management without the overhead of regional management. We are soon to be Delta pilots owned by Delta, working under the 9E CBA with no associated management costs. 100% of all savings and earnings going to Delta. We will soon be way cheaper than any other regional, the others simply can't compete.
01-15-2013, 01:29 PM
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My secure content locker kept crashing, so according to the FAQ on DeltaNet I had to uninstall and reinstall the app. It's currently downloading 77 files...what a PITA. I prefer GoodReader.
01-15-2013, 01:38 PM
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No, but if they want to flow to DAL they should meet our hiring requirements.
It is hard enough as it is trying to raise our compensation now- all we need to do is get rid of the four year degree requirement to complete our transition from professionals to blue collar labor.
Scoop
It is hard enough as it is trying to raise our compensation now- all we need to do is get rid of the four year degree requirement to complete our transition from professionals to blue collar labor.
Scoop
How about if they applied to be janitors at the airports they fly out of? At some point, ALPA needs to define what the cost of doing business with pilots is. Or should I say they should have done that at some point.
01-15-2013, 02:16 PM
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Ps. I like the fact that we require a degree. I think if we dropped the requirement we'd open the floodgates to a greater percentage of truly unqualified pilots. They may be able to fly but their decision making may be less than stellar. Maybe a human resources person could chime in and educate my holier than thou attitude.
I busted my hump to finish my degree to hopefully get on at Delta when hiring starts. I have 2 young kids and a busy life. It was not easy going back to school after 4 years of no school but I WANT to be at DAL. It doesn't matter I guess, but it's gonna feel like a slap in my face if folks are allowed in without a degree since Delta's website says its required. But, I'm not a fan of flow throughs or guaranteed interviews. I wish they would interview who they want and hire who they want. If that isn't me then I'm fine with that. Just wish the playing field was level. Just my honest opinion
01-15-2013, 02:40 PM
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I think some of you guys are making wayyyy too much out of this supposed secret letter flow thing.
Delta just got done with a merger with NWA. So in effect, Delta just 'hired' over 5,000 mainline Capts. and F/O's, none of whom interviewed with Delta, or, if they were interviewed by Delta, they turned Delta down for NW, or vice versa.
And before that merger, there was the Pan Am and Western mergeres and before that, the North East pilots, many, many, many of whom had no college at all.
But somehow, Delta survived.
Yes, there were (and still are) a few oddballs, but Delta hired plenty of them too, with 4 year degrees and Military training, they even got by Dr. Janis. There's always that 5%, right?
Having a College Degree doesn't make you a good person or a good pilot, being a good person does. That's why they interview, and they do a background check, made even easier today with them looking at your Facebook page and training records. I'm sure they will do all the required checks on all flows, college or not.
Delta just got done with a merger with NWA. So in effect, Delta just 'hired' over 5,000 mainline Capts. and F/O's, none of whom interviewed with Delta, or, if they were interviewed by Delta, they turned Delta down for NW, or vice versa.
And before that merger, there was the Pan Am and Western mergeres and before that, the North East pilots, many, many, many of whom had no college at all.
But somehow, Delta survived.
Yes, there were (and still are) a few oddballs, but Delta hired plenty of them too, with 4 year degrees and Military training, they even got by Dr. Janis. There's always that 5%, right?
Having a College Degree doesn't make you a good person or a good pilot, being a good person does. That's why they interview, and they do a background check, made even easier today with them looking at your Facebook page and training records. I'm sure they will do all the required checks on all flows, college or not.
I'm not picking on Pinnacle specifically. My regional had a similar position in the industry, and we had our own undesireables. I don't know whether the average Pinnacle pilot is worse than the average Delta newhire, and I'm not making that argument. I don't even know how many guys are at Pinnacle that shouldn't fly for Delta. As far as I know, most of them will make great Delta pilots. But what I know for certain is that each individual needs to be assessed on their own merits, no more no less.
Someone is going to have to fly these guys, and that someone deserves a qualified crewmember next to them.
01-15-2013, 02:55 PM
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I busted my hump to finish my degree to hopefully get on at Delta when hiring starts. I have 2 young kids and a busy life. It was not easy going back to school after 4 years of no school but I WANT to be at DAL. It doesn't matter I guess, but it's gonna feel like a slap in my face if folks are allowed in without a degree since Delta's website says its required. But, I'm not a fan of flow throughs or guaranteed interviews. I wish they would interview who they want and hire who they want. If that isn't me then I'm fine with that. Just wish the playing field was level. Just my honest opinion
Others were mixed between lifeline (starry eyed optimism) and acceptance that the paycut was better than the street.
Despite all the angst expressed in this thread, there is ZERO doubt that Pinnacle has some excellent pilots who can successfully land a DAL slot (or any other) by interviewing on their own merit.
The issue is: Who is the collective bargaining agent for the flying at Delta?
01-15-2013, 02:56 PM
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I busted my hump to finish my degree to hopefully get on at Delta when hiring starts. I have 2 young kids and a busy life. It was not easy going back to school after 4 years of no school but I WANT to be at DAL. It doesn't matter I guess, but it's gonna feel like a slap in my face if folks are allowed in without a degree since Delta's website says its required. But, I'm not a fan of flow throughs or guaranteed interviews. I wish they would interview who they want and hire who they want. If that isn't me then I'm fine with that. Just wish the playing field was level. Just my honest opinion
01-15-2013, 02:57 PM
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01-15-2013, 02:58 PM
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01-15-2013, 03:01 PM
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Of course there is nothing to say that those kind of ops have to occur year-round. The company has reams of data on the reliability of flights to and from... say... FRA from JFK. There might be a couple of months where they stand to have a 99% reliability of performing both ways under 9 hours, and would be willing to run that risk. The bean counters have micrometers out, and they have the history to back up their decisions. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see something like that.
I don't see this happening but if they try we need to put a price tag on it that includes job security provisions significantly in excess of what they would be able to trim to even consider it.
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