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Old 01-15-2013, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
88 B717s plus 40 additional MD90's. That's still 44 more airframes worth of CA positions if we include every DC9 & 747-200 parked. Right?
Via published fleet numbers, there is planned to be 29 more airframes than at the time of the merger. Of course those are narrowbody and we lost a number of widebody positions...
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
88 B717s plus 40 additional MD90's. That's still 44 more airframes worth of CA positions if we include every DC9 & 747-200 parked. Right?
As you said "it depends".

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Old 01-15-2013, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
If you actually knew what you were talking about., you would know that there is a side letter that bypasses the published requirements so certain senior members of their ranks will get a shot that they don't deserve. That is my beef with this. If DL changed their requirements for everyone, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Bingo. One can infer how badly ma DAL needs the Pinnacle group to vote "yes".............

It's no longer about brand/culture/tradition. It's now what is best for DAL at this exact point in time......
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:21 PM
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Word is the Pinnacle TA passed by an unheard of majority....

Anyone have the facts yet??
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by alfaromeo
Before you get all high and mighty, you might want to consider that most of the guys on this forum would not have been hired by Delta when I was hired in 1988 because you weren't in the military. What does that mean? Times change, that's what it means. Before you start thinking that your poop smells like rose water you might want to think twice. I do think that you are wrong with the basis of your post, I believe that all Pinnacle pilots have to meet Delta's hiring standards; standards that management alone dictates.

I find it mildly amusing that the ex-RJ pilots spend so much time ranking on each other. Would you prefer that all these Pinnacle pilots get laid off? What kind of person would not grant a hand up to someone facing the poop sandwich that is coming down to that group? I do think that our profession needs is more pilots crapping on other pilots, that will be good for us.



No, but if they want to flow to DAL they should meet our hiring requirements.

It is hard enough as it is trying to raise our compensation now- all we need to do is get rid of the four year degree requirement to complete our transition from professionals to blue collar labor.


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Old 01-15-2013, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Bingo. One can infer how badly ma DAL needs the Pinnacle group to vote "yes".............

It's no longer about brand/culture/tradition. It's now what is best for DAL at this exact point in time......
You have to admit Ma Delta knows how to dangle the perceived golden carrot better than none other to achieve their financial goals. That's to be expected. What is baffling and disappointing is the non-transparent way ALPA operates with no apparent long term strategy for the profession.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kiteflyer
Word is the Pinnacle TA passed by an unheard of majority....

Anyone have the facts yet??
86% voted. 85% In favor. Impressive stats for an RJ carrier in terms of participation.
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
88 B717s plus 40 additional MD90's. That's still 44 more airframes worth of CA positions if we include every DC9 & 747-200 parked. Right?
Where are all the MD-90's coming from?
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Old 01-15-2013, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
86% voted. 85% In favor. Impressive stats for an RJ carrier in terms of participation.
Wow. I guess the "bridge" program worked some magic. Reality will set in when we find out what kind of hiring rates they get out of their guaranteed interviews.

I wish them well, but I'm pretty sure they just bought some oceanfront property in Arizona.
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:21 PM
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Delta now plans to fire our management to streamline the airline. That's the ultimate goal here, they have us negotiating directly with DAL management without the overhead of regional management. We are soon to be Delta pilots owned by Delta, working under the 9E CBA with no associated management costs. 100% of all savings and earnings going to Delta. We will soon be way cheaper than any other regional, the others simply can't compete.
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