Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-04-2013, 03:55 PM
Can't abide NAI
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It is reported from multiple sources that ALPA National Staff attorneys are providing our Reps the opinion that ALPA National did nothing wrong when they allowed Pinnacle to do a deal exclusively with Delta management without even a courtesy call to our MEC.
Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.
I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.
Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.
I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 01-04-2013 at 04:19 PM.
01-04-2013, 04:09 PM
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ALPA National Staff attorneys are providing our Reps the opinion that ALPA National did nothing wrong when they allowed Pinnacle to do a deal exclusively with Delta management without even a courtesy call to our MEC.
Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.
I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.
Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.
I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.
01-04-2013, 04:14 PM
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So you are supposed to go to myid travel link either way. If the company is in the E-Zed system, you can pay right on the sight and you get an email sent to you with a record locator and ticket #'s. Takes less than a minute....one point of confusion is that the my id travel site does not do good searching with any airline selecting, but if you select just Hawaiian and book, it finds the flights just fine. BTW it creates a listing for you on the flights you select at the same time. To return, you just go back to the website and follow it's lead.
For non-EZed companies (ie paper tickets) they still want you to go to the link on Dl net and it will take all you info and send it to Delta ticketing. They will (I've had some go through in 1 hr, some took 2 days) create a listing for you on the airline and send you a record locator back to your email which you take to a delta counter and zip, with one swipe all your tickets are spit out so it takes the agent about a minute to do.
Just for a point of order, if you have a paper zed for two city pairs, the other airlines will accept that ticket as well, so you only really need one Zed between two city pairs and you can use on any airline that is using paper zed tickets still, ie UAL, AAL, etc.
Lastly, the agent can put a listing in for you at the counter in a pinch situation(ie stuck in hnl and need to get out) but it takes them about 5 mins per ticket (if they are the quick ones) and it helps to have some chocolates or kind words to get them to do it as it does take them away from other tasks especially if they are checking in lots of pax.
Enjoy the islands!
Aloha,
LUV
For non-EZed companies (ie paper tickets) they still want you to go to the link on Dl net and it will take all you info and send it to Delta ticketing. They will (I've had some go through in 1 hr, some took 2 days) create a listing for you on the airline and send you a record locator back to your email which you take to a delta counter and zip, with one swipe all your tickets are spit out so it takes the agent about a minute to do.
Just for a point of order, if you have a paper zed for two city pairs, the other airlines will accept that ticket as well, so you only really need one Zed between two city pairs and you can use on any airline that is using paper zed tickets still, ie UAL, AAL, etc.
Lastly, the agent can put a listing in for you at the counter in a pinch situation(ie stuck in hnl and need to get out) but it takes them about 5 mins per ticket (if they are the quick ones) and it helps to have some chocolates or kind words to get them to do it as it does take them away from other tasks especially if they are checking in lots of pax.
Enjoy the islands!
Aloha,
LUV
01-04-2013, 04:21 PM
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- In May 2012 I inquired via my rep about specifics on the production balance of the Transatlantic JV.
- The respective TA JV expert promised me to get a response.
- I re-inquired in November 2012.
- I have yet to receive a response. That's why I said "...but that information doesnt seem to be forthcoming..."
Cheers
George
01-04-2013, 04:33 PM
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01-04-2013, 04:35 PM
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It is reported from multiple sources that ALPA National Staff attorneys are providing our Reps the opinion that ALPA National did nothing wrong when they allowed Pinnacle to do a deal exclusively with Delta management without even a courtesy call to our MEC.
Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.
I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.
Further, to defend this malfeasance with a "Pinnacle's changes to your Section 1 are none of your business" type argument, they are interpreting our scope very, very, narrowly.
I submit that ALPA National Attorneys are not even ALPA members. They are not pilots, do not pay dues and have no right of representation by our Reps. They are staff counsel with a hell of a conflict of interest. A conflict which they should ethically stated up front.
01-04-2013, 04:55 PM
Can't abide NAI
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No.
It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.
In the past I have defended our union's mechanisms to resolve conflicts of interest internally. Now I am defending our Constitution and Bylaws with the hope we can resolve our problems and avoid handing a winning platform to ALPA's enemies.
It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.
In the past I have defended our union's mechanisms to resolve conflicts of interest internally. Now I am defending our Constitution and Bylaws with the hope we can resolve our problems and avoid handing a winning platform to ALPA's enemies.
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 01-04-2013 at 05:06 PM.
01-04-2013, 05:20 PM
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No.
It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.
In the past I have defended our union's mechanisms to resolve conflicts of interest internally. Now I am defending our Constitution and Bylaws with the hope we can resolve our problems and avoid handing a winning platform to ALPA's enemies.
It is just a natural characteristic of highly autocratic power structures to ignore the rules when the rules don't suit them.
In the past I have defended our union's mechanisms to resolve conflicts of interest internally. Now I am defending our Constitution and Bylaws with the hope we can resolve our problems and avoid handing a winning platform to ALPA's enemies.
01-04-2013, 05:35 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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Why again do we need ALPA? For ALPA "legal?" Ha.
Why are we sending our money to National? We must at or near the top of dues-producing groups. If that doesn't buy us some extra consideration, then it's time to bail.
I'm tired of hearing about how "no other representation can be as effective on Day 1 as ALPA."
What exactly about ALPA is even the slightest bit "effective?" If Delta pilots are refused a seat at the table to discuss our scope...that's pretty damn ineffective.
Why are we sending our money to National? We must at or near the top of dues-producing groups. If that doesn't buy us some extra consideration, then it's time to bail.
I'm tired of hearing about how "no other representation can be as effective on Day 1 as ALPA."
What exactly about ALPA is even the slightest bit "effective?" If Delta pilots are refused a seat at the table to discuss our scope...that's pretty damn ineffective.
01-04-2013, 05:39 PM
Straight QOL, homie
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if Delta pilots can't get help from national, we don't need to be sending them any more money.
I'm sure dues from Pinnacle will allow Moak et. al. to continue their ridiculously extravagant standard of living.
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