Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
01-04-2013, 07:41 AM
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well, its a route that AMR flies three times daily with a 738, i think SWA adds one more flight. but while the tickets aren't that expensive evidently its a route with a lot of high valued music folks shuttling between Nashville and L.A.
and now he we come. in the past it sure looks like everyone has their territories on the domestic side and then refrain from infringing on others even if it means capitulating. See Delta/Alaska add an example.
its just interesting we are bowing up and pushing into such a route into a hub that we seem to be handing over to Alaska.
and now he we come. in the past it sure looks like everyone has their territories on the domestic side and then refrain from infringing on others even if it means capitulating. See Delta/Alaska add an example.
its just interesting we are bowing up and pushing into such a route into a hub that we seem to be handing over to Alaska.
01-04-2013, 07:44 AM
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Now you're really kidding yourself. If we were Venezuela, maybe.
Nothing prevents us from walking into meetings and steering this thing a bit. I understand there are games played with votes and meetings, and maybe you can save yourself from an angry mob use Robert's rules once, but in a democracy, a government is nothing but a giant mirror.
Take the idiots in Congress...
Nothing prevents us from walking into meetings and steering this thing a bit. I understand there are games played with votes and meetings, and maybe you can save yourself from an angry mob use Robert's rules once, but in a democracy, a government is nothing but a giant mirror.
Take the idiots in Congress...
01-04-2013, 07:45 AM
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Current DL scope and M&A language would require AS to be a merger. PCL won't be, nor should it be, because in today's era of rediculous "federal merger law" we should never even discuss opening up that can of worms and risking the whims of an arbitrator.
01-04-2013, 07:52 AM
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So you're ok with a 5 hour call out the second you go off rest? Even though you're released to long call? As has been determined, that's "legal" too. You're every scheduler's favorite, aren't you?
By the way - what's a "30 in 7 24 hour FAR rest"? That's two separate things.
By the way - what's a "30 in 7 24 hour FAR rest"? That's two separate things.
Or, if, as you say, you are truly on long call, then the only way for that to happen is for you to check your schedule the minute you leave FAR rest, see nothing on your line, and then go to long call, which is 12 hours or 10 for SC. In that case there would be no 5 hour call out.
Now as pilots we are an inquisitive bunch, and obsess over few things more than our schedules. We simply "have to know" so we in most cases freely chose to schedule check during an FAR rest, so most of the time this issue of legality resolves itself. But we don't have to, and the company can't make us otherwise that is an FAR violation of FAR rest and would require a new 24 hours of FAR rest from the moment of any "required" schedule check. Find me one scheduler that thinks that makes me their "favorite" and I will buy you a case of beer.
Regardless of the 24 hour FAR rest issue though, there is a dangerous line of legality some are walking WRT green slipping a report while on long call under 9 hours. While 9 to 11:59 prior is a legitimate and legal GS, under 9, especially under 8, is begging for an FAR violation as you can't use time spent on long call as retroactive look back rest. That is a dirty little secret no one wants to address but it stays under the radar because its very hard to track and prove, for now. But its illegal nonetheless.
01-04-2013, 07:55 AM
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so it looks as if you guys are buying us, we are either the next comair, or the next destroy, rebuild and sell for huge profits. I have always wondered this question, maybe someone can answer it for me. I am not suggesting that this should happen or that we even deserve it but what is the difference lets say between delta buying alaska and delta buying pinnacle. Both have unions but in one case it would trigger a pilot seniority list integration and in the other it does nothing. What does your scope clause say about this or does nothing happen because one is a regional? Its just a question that I have always been curious about. What is ALPA nationals position on the matter? Also, please dont view this post as a regional punk just trying to get to mainline, Im just trying to understand policy in these situations.
My MEC is not engaged with my management on matters involving Pinnacle. We read about it in the papers.
01-04-2013, 08:15 AM
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I see. I tend to think about all of this in terms of numbers, not politics. Demonstrated compliance is good. Lack of either is bad. I'm open-minded about the next administration. I didn't know we replaced a secretive admin for a good one, but it's true that I've not seen any bulletins on the TA JV recently. So i'm going to trust that the new admin will get the numbers out, so let's give them a chance. Add this on the list above the VA discussions, then the Pinnacle TA.
Does that work, Shiznit?
Does that work, Shiznit?
I'm with you completely on the dissemination of info in these types of matters. I'd love to see the TAJV "scope report card" just like most everyone here, but I'm not going start complaining when I just got a good quality update on another section of the scope clause.
george: "...but that information doesnt seem to be forthcoming..."
I should have merely said: How do you know? It has only been 3 days since the new Chairman took office.
Does that work Sink?
01-04-2013, 08:31 AM
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Nonrev to OGG ?'s
Hey guys,
We've got a trip coming up this summer to OGG and I'm trying to put together plans A-Z if we can't get on our LAX-OGG (or return) flights.
I can significantly increase my opportunities to get on a DL flight if we come/go through HNL. A few questions:
1. How easy is it to get to/from HNL to OGG? I see pretty much hourly frequency on Hawaiian. Anyone know what the loads are typically like? Is this a "walk up and hop on any flight" kinda thing, or are they always jam packed?
2. What's the best way to go about buying ZED fares? My plan is to buy ZED's to/from HNL/OGG for the whole family. Also, I'm planning to buy ZED's on AA and UAL from OGG-LAX and/or HNL-mainland as backups to get out of Hawaii (which I've heard is a nightmare).
Is this overkill? I'd rather not have $1000+ tied up in ZED's if I don't have to. Is it fairly straightforward to return them if unused?
3. Anyone have any other advice for getting to/from OGG via ZED's or otherwise? I'll book a j/s if I have to, but I need to find seats for my wife and 2 small kids.
Scoop? You out there? I remember you posting something about ZED's several days ago. How easy is it to buy/return them?
Thanks!
We've got a trip coming up this summer to OGG and I'm trying to put together plans A-Z if we can't get on our LAX-OGG (or return) flights.
I can significantly increase my opportunities to get on a DL flight if we come/go through HNL. A few questions:
1. How easy is it to get to/from HNL to OGG? I see pretty much hourly frequency on Hawaiian. Anyone know what the loads are typically like? Is this a "walk up and hop on any flight" kinda thing, or are they always jam packed?
2. What's the best way to go about buying ZED fares? My plan is to buy ZED's to/from HNL/OGG for the whole family. Also, I'm planning to buy ZED's on AA and UAL from OGG-LAX and/or HNL-mainland as backups to get out of Hawaii (which I've heard is a nightmare).
Is this overkill? I'd rather not have $1000+ tied up in ZED's if I don't have to. Is it fairly straightforward to return them if unused?
3. Anyone have any other advice for getting to/from OGG via ZED's or otherwise? I'll book a j/s if I have to, but I need to find seats for my wife and 2 small kids.
Scoop? You out there? I remember you posting something about ZED's several days ago. How easy is it to buy/return them?
Thanks!
01-04-2013, 09:34 AM
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I don't know Scambo. Maybe it's just me, but I find all this to be just... sad.
and
Someone please tell me this is a joke!? Tell me we don't have people that are affiliated with one administration trying to out people from another, and tell me we don't have alleged Comm Chairmen also masquerading as anonymous users, both taking pot shots at each other, like some vicious, jealous teen-age cheerleaders competing for homecoming queen.
If only our various union politicos would expand the same energy defending the pilot group's interests, as getting into this Montague-and-Capulet crap. Why don't you guys show a little dignity, and maybe behave like adults? Look at the things being alleged: the outbound group pouts and doesn't share, and the inbound groups sits on their ass for a month. That"s the outcome of these elections?
Isn't there serious business at hand?
and
Someone please tell me this is a joke!? Tell me we don't have people that are affiliated with one administration trying to out people from another, and tell me we don't have alleged Comm Chairmen also masquerading as anonymous users, both taking pot shots at each other, like some vicious, jealous teen-age cheerleaders competing for homecoming queen.
If only our various union politicos would expand the same energy defending the pilot group's interests, as getting into this Montague-and-Capulet crap. Why don't you guys show a little dignity, and maybe behave like adults? Look at the things being alleged: the outbound group pouts and doesn't share, and the inbound groups sits on their ass for a month. That"s the outcome of these elections?
Isn't there serious business at hand?
01-04-2013, 09:37 AM
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Hey guys,
We've got a trip coming up this summer to OGG and I'm trying to put together plans A-Z if we can't get on our LAX-OGG (or return) flights.
I can significantly increase my opportunities to get on a DL flight if we come/go through HNL. A few questions:
1. How easy is it to get to/from HNL to OGG? I see pretty much hourly frequency on Hawaiian. Anyone know what the loads are typically like? Is this a "walk up and hop on any flight" kinda thing, or are they always jam packed?
2. What's the best way to go about buying ZED fares? My plan is to buy ZED's to/from HNL/OGG for the whole family. Also, I'm planning to buy ZED's on AA and UAL from OGG-LAX and/or HNL-mainland as backups to get out of Hawaii (which I've heard is a nightmare).
Is this overkill? I'd rather not have $1000+ tied up in ZED's if I don't have to. Is it fairly straightforward to return them if unused?
3. Anyone have any other advice for getting to/from OGG via ZED's or otherwise? I'll book a j/s if I have to, but I need to find seats for my wife and 2 small kids.
Scoop? You out there? I remember you posting something about ZED's several days ago. How easy is it to buy/return them?
Thanks!
We've got a trip coming up this summer to OGG and I'm trying to put together plans A-Z if we can't get on our LAX-OGG (or return) flights.
I can significantly increase my opportunities to get on a DL flight if we come/go through HNL. A few questions:
1. How easy is it to get to/from HNL to OGG? I see pretty much hourly frequency on Hawaiian. Anyone know what the loads are typically like? Is this a "walk up and hop on any flight" kinda thing, or are they always jam packed?
2. What's the best way to go about buying ZED fares? My plan is to buy ZED's to/from HNL/OGG for the whole family. Also, I'm planning to buy ZED's on AA and UAL from OGG-LAX and/or HNL-mainland as backups to get out of Hawaii (which I've heard is a nightmare).
Is this overkill? I'd rather not have $1000+ tied up in ZED's if I don't have to. Is it fairly straightforward to return them if unused?
3. Anyone have any other advice for getting to/from OGG via ZED's or otherwise? I'll book a j/s if I have to, but I need to find seats for my wife and 2 small kids.
Scoop? You out there? I remember you posting something about ZED's several days ago. How easy is it to buy/return them?
Thanks!
I live in Hawaii and have non-rev'd (with family of 5) throughout the islands via ZED multiple times with no issue. You are right, there is so much frequency that if you don't get your fist option, you'll get the second. There is also "go" airlines with some frequencey. I live on Oahu and I've done the LAX to OGG and then non-rev over to HNL to get the family home before.
BTW, you can buy zed fare's in HNL and OGG at the Delta desk, so I wouldn't go on a bender with too many before you even leave as they are sort of a pain to unravel (ie mail them in to save yourself an hour and several rolled eyes from the ticket agent who has to return them.) Also, HAL is now on ezed program so you can literally do it in 3 mins over a computer and returning them is much easier, albeit a small service charge.
Bottom line, very easy to buy / return zed's for HAL now that it is all electronic, but you will pay a small service fee if you don't use them.
Easy to get between the islands albeit you may wait a flight or two.
UAL/AAL/US AIR/ Alakskan all paper zed. If it's tight on DAL, it's usually tighter on UAL and American as well as they have a lot of non-revs in their system. I usually will go for HAL or Alaskan if DAL is too full, although with S2's you can usually make it, again flexibility is the key.
Last thing, I will usually buy ZED's for the family on HAL to go interisland and I just jumpseat for free yet they always find seats for us together.
Enjoy the islands! Feel free to PM if you have any other questions.
Aloha,
LUV
01-04-2013, 10:38 AM
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Leine,
I live in Hawaii and have non-rev'd (with family of 5) throughout the islands via ZED multiple times with no issue. You are right, there is so much frequency that if you don't get your fist option, you'll get the second. There is also "go" airlines with some frequencey. I live on Oahu and I've done the LAX to OGG and then non-rev over to HNL to get the family home before.
BTW, you can buy zed fare's in HNL and OGG at the Delta desk, so I wouldn't go on a bender with too many before you even leave as they are sort of a pain to unravel (ie mail them in to save yourself an hour and several rolled eyes from the ticket agent who has to return them.) Also, HAL is now on ezed program so you can literally do it in 3 mins over a computer and returning them is much easier, albeit a small service charge.
Bottom line, very easy to buy / return zed's for HAL now that it is all electronic, but you will pay a small service fee if you don't use them.
Easy to get between the islands albeit you may wait a flight or two.
UAL/AAL/US AIR/ Alakskan all paper zed. If it's tight on DAL, it's usually tighter on UAL and American as well as they have a lot of non-revs in their system. I usually will go for HAL or Alaskan if DAL is too full, although with S2's you can usually make it, again flexibility is the key.
Last thing, I will usually buy ZED's for the family on HAL to go interisland and I just jumpseat for free yet they always find seats for us together.
Enjoy the islands! Feel free to PM if you have any other questions.
Aloha,
LUV
I live in Hawaii and have non-rev'd (with family of 5) throughout the islands via ZED multiple times with no issue. You are right, there is so much frequency that if you don't get your fist option, you'll get the second. There is also "go" airlines with some frequencey. I live on Oahu and I've done the LAX to OGG and then non-rev over to HNL to get the family home before.
BTW, you can buy zed fare's in HNL and OGG at the Delta desk, so I wouldn't go on a bender with too many before you even leave as they are sort of a pain to unravel (ie mail them in to save yourself an hour and several rolled eyes from the ticket agent who has to return them.) Also, HAL is now on ezed program so you can literally do it in 3 mins over a computer and returning them is much easier, albeit a small service charge.
Bottom line, very easy to buy / return zed's for HAL now that it is all electronic, but you will pay a small service fee if you don't use them.
Easy to get between the islands albeit you may wait a flight or two.
UAL/AAL/US AIR/ Alakskan all paper zed. If it's tight on DAL, it's usually tighter on UAL and American as well as they have a lot of non-revs in their system. I usually will go for HAL or Alaskan if DAL is too full, although with S2's you can usually make it, again flexibility is the key.
Last thing, I will usually buy ZED's for the family on HAL to go interisland and I just jumpseat for free yet they always find seats for us together.
Enjoy the islands! Feel free to PM if you have any other questions.
Aloha,
LUV
What is the difference between a paper ZED and an EZED?
My understanding is we list via the id90 site linked in Travelnet and then have to actually pick them up/pay for them at a DL ticket counter? Is that about right?
Can I get a paper and/or EZED the day of travel? Or do they need to be bought a few days in advance?
Thanks again
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