Bucking Bar

An autocratic, authoritarian, secretive, "none of your business" administration of our union leads to the line guys being dismayed and apathetic. The Chicken laid the egg and tries to keep the Chicks in line. As the chicks realize the Chicken is nothing more than a tyrant fattened by being the largest animal in the barnyard, the chicks get increasingly apathetic about the health of said Chicken. After all, after laying the egg, the Chicken contributed little to the brood.

A better barnyard would be use the chicks, chicken and rooster to protect the perimeter from incursion from other hungry birds.

It would seem we invite crows, pigeons and even a couple of hawks into our barnyard ... then we hear the adult birds squawk about "unity" wondering why we aren't all Chickens!

Sink r8

double-nevermind.

Sink r8

No kidding? So he's lying, as he's trying to out you?

Wow.

Sink r8

Now you're really kidding yourself. If we were Venezuela, maybe.

Nothing prevents us from walking into meetings and steering this thing a bit. I understand there are games played with votes and meetings, and maybe you can save yourself from an angry mob use Robert's rules once, but in a democracy, a government is nothing but a giant mirror.

Take the idiots in Congress...

scambo1

PFO;

We have tangentially discussed this in the past. That is not me saying go back and read the entire thread. I would boil it down for you this way, as an ode to Boomer.

1. ALPA is not interested in unity.
2. If you are at a regional, you are an indentured servant, not a full partner.
3. Being a wholly owned subsidiary is different than being merged. You are on a different operating certificate. This only makes you a "most favored nation" as long as you are willing to turn tricks (undercut) for your overlord.
4. If you stay at a regional, you will have less of a fulfilling life than if you did not.
5. You are on notice based upon the Comair precedent.

TANSTAAFL

Because Pinnacle will be operated as a subsidiary with a separate operating certificate, where as AK, should it ever transpire would most likely be a merger.

gloopy

I've done plenty of reserve and have worked through this issue many times. Every time they try and pressure you to accept a mandatory obligation. It being "electronic" does not magically make it OK. Ask them on tape if they are giving you a mandatory obligation to the company within your 24 hour FAR rest. On more than a few occasions when this issue was pushed, which was basically every time a 30 in 7 24 hour FAR rest was an issue, I got it resolved. Every single time. But you have to push for it.

Like I said, they can give you any assignment they want before you start your 24 hours FAR rest. OR, they can force you to check your schedule the second your rest is over and accept an immediate report, or any report thereafter. But they can't use the time between the end of your rest and the start of whatever they gave you "in the dark" while you were on FAR rest with NO OBLIGATION TO THE COMPANY WHATSOEVER as retroactive rest.

If they don't put it on your line at least 1 minute before you are released to FAR rest, then you are either on long call (default) or you have to check your schedule the minute after your FAR rest, which constitutes a break in rest for the purpose of lookback rest to accept future assignments. So a midnight to midnight FAR rest could have a 00:01 report or a 07:59 report, or of course anything later. But anything between 00:01 and 07:59 would require loockback rest starting at 00:01 and you could not go for a max duty day starting at report, unless you were notified of it prior to your FAR rest, or if you freely chose to check during your FAR rest. But you have to freely chose to do it, as you have no obligation to the company during a FAR rest. None. Zero.

SailorJerry

So you're ok with a 5 hour call out the second you go off rest? Even though you're released to long call? As has been determined, that's "legal" too. You're every scheduler's favorite, aren't you?

By the way - what's a "30 in 7 24 hour FAR rest"? That's two separate things.

gloopy

Their tomorrow is our today though. The ponzi schemes are collapsing and the entitlement mentality is only strengthening. The average medicare couple takes out almost a quarter million more than they put in and that's just one of many broken, irrecoverable schemes. Then there's the college bubble, SSI bubble, debt bubble, dollar bubble and others.

Thanks "greatest generation".

gloopy

Of course they are in compliance, because we're in the middle of a no bottom floor 3 year blank check period in AF/KLM/AZ's favor. They could be doing 100% and still be in compliance. The real questions are will they be in full compliance with the rebalancing period and what will our percentage have to be to make that happen.