buzzpat

Well, we do LAX-MEM, RDU, CVG, ATL, MCO, IND, why not throw BNA into the mix?

johnso29

Buzz,

Back in November I worked a LAX-JFK redeye. As we stepped out of the van a guy asked if we were his pilots to CMH. We told him no we were headed to NYC. CA thought he meant CVG. Turns out we fly 73N LAX-CMH redeyes too!!!

Are they seasonal? I don't see direct flights now. Maybe it was for Thanksgiving???

80ktsClamp

I flew that on the 73N a number of times. It's not daily and might be pulled down for the winter.

sailingfun

None, however in posting his numbers he failed to post the number of Alaska passengers that fly international on Delta. It changes the numbers dramatically.

Phuz

And without a codeshare Alaska passengers would have to buy that ticket from Delta anyhow. Bet they might even consider taking a 73 from ANC-SEA if it was flown by you instead of them, it'd make connecting easier.

sailingfun

Virtually every route we fly has competition in one form or another. The connecting hub may be different but we rarely fly a passenger who did not have other options.

ThePenguin328

Thanks for reading my post and actually understanding my jab, actually made in jest because as you state all our scope clauses leave little to brag about. 15% or 20%, it doesn't matter lol!

TANSTAAFL

That's how I read it.

I've heard some rumors that the last "leaders" exited the property before Christmas and took all their files with them and accomplished little to no turnover. I believe they are getting paid for a month of "transition" to boot.

This serves the interst of DAL pilots how?

forgot to bid

well, its a route that AMR flies three times daily with a 738, i think SWA adds one more flight. but while the tickets aren't that expensive evidently its a route with a lot of high valued music folks shuttling between Nashville and L.A.

and now he we come. in the past it sure looks like everyone has their territories on the domestic side and then refrain from infringing on others even if it means capitulating. See Delta/Alaska add an example.

its just interesting we are bowing up and pushing into such a route into a hub that we seem to be handing over to Alaska.

scambo1

Sailing;

This is not directed at you, but your post evokes an element of fundamentalism in me.

Metrics, statistics, numbers; we can twist them in many ways to make them work for the benefit of our own arguement. The old "lies, damn lies and statistics" arguement.

Outsourcing; it may be good for the corporation, and in SOME extrapolation that makes it good for the employee. However, we are finite time period employees who's interests are to maximize personal gain for our finite lives. Outsourcing will NEVER be good for us personally unless it is for a defined finite time period as a bridge to INSOURCING.

Alaska, in this case, is outsourced large RJ feed (but on solid - mid - DAL seniority equipment). The metrics support that. When the AK codeshare is defended, some valid metrics are used, but there is always the non-metric emotional "west coast Alaska brand recognition" mantra too.

When a passenger can buy a DAL ticket from Sydney to an east coast market and none of that trip will be flown by DAL jets with DAL pilots - THAT IS BAD - Fundamentally - for DAL pilots.

When outsourced lift receives preferential (ground support) treatment and the best gates at a DAL station - THAT IS BAD for DAL pilots (and DAL).

Why or how is this concept defended? by pilots? by the union?

There HAS GOT TO BE A LIMIT OR WE ARE DONE. (voice slightly raised).

I don't see that "we" (the union) are reigning this in. To use an analogy: Scope is a farmers field. The farmer has a big field, but in his own interest, he wants a bigger field. Sharecroppers are using some of his field - To do their work, the sharecroppers are using increasingly more efficient tractors - In some cases, more efficient than the farmers tractors. The farmer, out of the goodness of his heart, also lends the sharecroppers some of his tools - which they do not maintain.

Some of the sharecroppers make enough to buy their part of the farmers field from him. He thinks it is okay to sell some of his field to the sharecroppers. Eventually, the farmer only has enough field to have a garden and he has to go to work in town as a clerk.

morning rant over.

Edit: Some of my concerns are addressed in the AAG union email, but I still don't think castor oil is medicine.