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Old 12-24-2012, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2
Do your know Tom Wychor, have you ever even talked to him in person in your life? Did he ever pull the crap at the level of JC? He is a rep of a bankrupt group that got a pref interview and you equate that to JC because our MEC wasn't there?

You don't see the diff? Buck that comment is BS my friend. I understand your disgust with our MEC not being informed and present but you are taking it out on the wrong guy.
JA Lawson and Tom Wychor tried to do the same thing. That is, make Delta Air Lines a signatory to a regional's scope clause. Tom Wychor succeeded.

Put any two names in there you want. The issue remains the same. Can we let Delta management sit down and do deals with any pilot group it pleases?

If so, how about ASA sitting down to get our 737 flying? Why not?

Wychor, like all officers in ALPA, has a duty to uphold our Constitution and Bylaws. Our Admin Manual addresses concessionary bargaining, the dire situation does not change the fact that the rules apply.

Further, it would have been easy to get Delta MEC concurrence on this. There was really no reason to lock us out.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:06 AM
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Again, has anyone called Moak? He may not answer a lowly members phone but does he not have an obligation to answer a call from one of our reps? Nuguy, ACL65?????
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
JA Lawson and Tom Wychor tried to do the same thing. That is, make Delta Air Lines a signatory to a regional's scope clause. Tom Wychor succeeded.

Put any two names in there you want. The issue remains the same. Can we let Delta management sit down and do deals with any pilot group it pleases?

If so, how about ASA sitting down to get our 737 flying? Why not?

Wychor, like all officers in ALPA, has a duty to uphold our Constitution and Bylaws. Our Admin Manual addresses concessionary bargaining, the dire situation does not change the fact that the rules apply.

Further, it would have been easy to get Delta MEC concurrence on this. There was really no reason to lock us out.
Let me get this straight, you just said that TW made Delta Air Lines sign Pinnacle's scope clause?

Don't get me wrong, we(DALPA) should have been there but maybe, just maybe you should be pointing the finger at OUR guy LM.

Also let it be said, again I don't like how it went but they get an interview(something DAL pilots don't control) and planes that WE just signed off on. Nothing else.
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Old 12-24-2012, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Imapilot2

Let me get this straight, you just said that TW made Delta Air Lines sign Pinnacle's scope clause?

Don't get me wrong, we(DALPA) should have been there but maybe, just maybe you should be pointing the finger at OUR guy LM.

Also let it be said, again I don't like how it went but they get an interview(something DAL pilots don't control) and planes that WE just signed off on. Nothing else.
And that will be the argument of all the fine folks in the upper echelon of the 4th floor who thought that this would be a good idea.

My guess is that Lee Moak was off the clock when this was put together. He may be a signatory to the TA, but I doubt he'll have any necessity to scrutinize it or be briefed on it, until it comes time to put pen to paper. So then he can burn another airline down, just like Duane Woerth did to CC Air.

Either way - at some point, even if its in a galaxy far far away, we'll need to hire. This 9E TA is simply a good indication or the company's upcoming staffing desperation. UA is spinning numbers of hiring 400-600 just to cover work rule changes. AAL will be hiring once all their furloughs are back. And we, will wait, until the last possible minute, and then have an entire airline to evaporate at the rate of 12 a month. Which isn't even close to what we'll need to interview a month, but it puts negative pressure on the urgency to lead the pack in terms of our PWA to attract the best, and most qualified real applicants.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
And that will be the argument of all the fine folks in the upper echelon of the 4th floor who thought that this would be a good idea.

My guess is that Lee Moak was off the clock when this was put together. He may be a signatory to the TA, but I doubt he'll have any necessity to scrutinize it or be briefed on it, until it comes time to put pen to paper. So then he can burn another airline down, just like Duane Woerth did to CC Air.

Either way - at some point, even if its in a galaxy far far away, we'll need to hire. This 9E TA is simply a good indication or the company's upcoming staffing desperation. UA is spinning numbers of hiring 400-600 just to cover work rule changes. AAL will be hiring once all their furloughs are back. And we, will wait, until the last possible minute, and then have an entire airline to evaporate at the rate of 12 a month. Which isn't even close to what we'll need to interview a month, but it puts negative pressure on the urgency to lead the pack in terms of our PWA to attract the best, and most qualified real applicants.
Actually, there is a final review process by which ALPA's Representation Dept and President must review an agreement for compliance before the President's signature. Further, ALPA's Executive Council can over ride the President. Word of this agreement needs to get out to the MEC Chairmen at FedEx and UCal.

While I strongly suspect Lee Moak was involved, I don't have any proof. This is straightforward based solely on the Bridge Agreement itself. No need to muddy the issue with innuendo.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
And that will be the argument of all the fine folks in the upper echelon of the 4th floor who thought that this would be a good idea.
They broke the Mechanic's union. This is potentially fatal to ALPA on the Delta property.

That is why ALPAs internal processes have to work.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
They broke the Mechanic's union. This is potentially fatal to ALPA on the Delta property.

That is why ALPAs internal processes have to work.
Yep this seems like a good start to having thousands of guarenteed replacement workers prescreened and ready for any time you Delta pilots think about showing some unity.
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:17 AM
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Hey, how 'bout them Seahawks!! 150 points in 3 games! I think the 49ers are still wondering what hit them!!!

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Old 12-24-2012, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Hey, how 'bout them Seahawks!! 150 points in 3 games! I think the 49ers are still wondering what hit them!!!

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Die hard 49ers fan here and yes that was a butt kicking. What made it worse I'm on a layover in Seattle. Ouch!
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Old 12-24-2012, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Hey, how 'bout them Seahawks!! 150 points in 3 games! I think the 49ers are still wondering what hit them!!!

Denny
The way they're playing, I don't see how they won't take the NFC. They've come alive big time. I was hoping they'd both lose last night.

Signed, a bitter STL Lambs..I mean Rams fan.
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