buzzpat

The military pool is drying up. Half the guys who graduate from UPT end up flying drones. It ain't what it used to be, for sure. Still, I am not a fan of flows. ESPECIALLY when they are agreed to outside of our union.

I am proud to be a Delta pilot because I know full well the selection process. It also makes me confident to fly with other Delta pilots because I know that they went through the same thing that I did (fNWA fully included in that assessment).

I'm sure there are some great guys and superb pilots at Pinnacle. If they are offered the chance to interview, test and receive a job offer, right on. If they are offered a fast track to employment at DAL without the traditional screening, I think its going to be a train wreck...for some of them and for Delta.

We are where we are, because of who we are. Lets not lose sight of that.

80ktsClamp

They will be screened, albeit a single day process and if you blow it you can reapply to do it again a year later.

Scoop

Guys,

I think we are getting a little bit ahead of ourselves. Most, not all, of the guys who failed the DAL hiring process were able to reapply - this is not a change.

We will still hire former military Pilots - Why do yo think the DCI percentage was set at 35%? As Buzz mentioned the military pool is getting smaller, although I would not say drying up.

Not to come across as liking this whole flow through, because I dont. I definitely don't like a guaranted job, but have no issues with a guaranteed interview. Lets let the dust settle before we march on the village with pitchforks and torches.

Besides, who is to say the Pinnacle guys will even pass their TA?

Scoop

Bucking Bar

The issue is that another pilot group is cutting deals with our management.

Columbia

Alert- Jenna Fischer on Jimmy Kimmel tonight!

nwa757

You guys are terrible. Let's dismount from the high horse and open up our closed minds and look at the facts.

1) We vote to outsource flying
2) It's ok because we get a pay raise
3) Our passengers travel on Pinnacle/Compass/Skywest and 7+ other outsourced carriers and thats ok, if my pay goes up
4) Butttt....... It's not ok if they are a Delta pilot.
5) Half of these guys are getting put on the street due to a manufactured bankruptcy (by us)
6) Mainline pilots are taking nice big pay raises (we should) while guys at the bottom on poverty level wages are taking pay cuts, all while flying in the same system.

Getting off the high horse works pretty well for unity. Who are we to think we are so much better off than another pilot who flies the same passengers on the same tickets.

80ktsClamp

People who are not eligible to reinterview due to previously failing the HR portion will now (if this passes) be given a second and potentially third chance. That was what was pointed out. All this while pilots from other airlines/backgrounds that failed it will never be given the second chance.

Regardless, I'm glad that they have the screening process and are holding them to the DL requirements. That was my minimum for not going all pitchforks and torches on it.

The DCI 35% quota was done due to the pain that the TA was going to cause at the regionals. That pain has transpired. Now the 9E MEC has gone around DALPA and negotiated this outside of our section 1.

As far as it passing... As a junior FO I could see voting yes due to the impending furlough and benefits for furloughs. As a mid range CA... not a chance. Anyone without a degree has little reason to vote yes either... So, we'll see.

xjcrew1

I can't thank you enough! A mainline pilot on these web boards who understands the reality of this industry!!!!!

Bucking Bar

After reading the bridge agreement, the reality hits.

Another MEC has scoped Delta flying. Another contract for operation of 76 seat jets now preempts the Delta Pilot Working Agreement.

Now if the Delta pilots try to improve our scope below 193 76 seat jets, we would have to get the permission of the Pinnacle pilots to do so.

Mesabah

The Delta PWA trumps the Bridge agreement, it says so in there.