Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-18-2012, 06:41 AM
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On a serious note though, not sure why people are so thrilled about a flow anyway. I mean the way hiring is scheduled to pick up, collectively, with all the mainline companies in the next few years why would you want to wait out your turn in flow through agreement?
Sure people with less time and experience may get hired before you, but on the other hand people with more time and experience may not get hired before you. At the end of the day, it's not only about time and experience.
My biggest complaint with flow through agreements are that crappy management (PNCL) will use them as some type of negotiating capital in a ploy to make pilots think that they are giving them something. At the end of the day, when the mainline companies need pilots they will hire.
12-18-2012, 06:43 AM
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<<No furlough bypass can come back until recalls start. Once recalls start, that will be the light at the end of the tunnel just prior to hiring.>>
That's not really how it works. We will start hiring, and the furlough bypass guys will be in the first class. (if they accept)
They don't offer recalls, just for the sake of offering recalls. There has to be active hiring and new hire class for a recall to be place into.
When we start to hire, recalls will make up the first couple of classes... If they choose to come back. And if we hire before the 2014 cut off date (for most of the 01 furloughee's)
That's not really how it works. We will start hiring, and the furlough bypass guys will be in the first class. (if they accept)
They don't offer recalls, just for the sake of offering recalls. There has to be active hiring and new hire class for a recall to be place into.
When we start to hire, recalls will make up the first couple of classes... If they choose to come back. And if we hire before the 2014 cut off date (for most of the 01 furloughee's)
12-18-2012, 07:23 AM
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On a serious note though, not sure why people are so thrilled about a flow anyway. I mean the way hiring is scheduled to pick up, collectively, with all the mainline companies in the next few years why would you want to wait out your turn in flow through agreement?
Sure people with less time and experience may get hired before you, but on the other hand people with more time and experience may not get hired before you. At the end of the day, it's not only about time and experience.
My biggest complaint with flow through agreements are that crappy management (PNCL) will use them as some type of negotiating capital in a ploy to make pilots think that they are giving them something. At the end of the day, when the mainline companies need pilots they will hire.
Sure people with less time and experience may get hired before you, but on the other hand people with more time and experience may not get hired before you. At the end of the day, it's not only about time and experience.
My biggest complaint with flow through agreements are that crappy management (PNCL) will use them as some type of negotiating capital in a ploy to make pilots think that they are giving them something. At the end of the day, when the mainline companies need pilots they will hire.
12-18-2012, 07:35 AM
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Correct, unless you are one of the superstar quarterbacks, the NFL is a worse job than regional airline pilot.
12-18-2012, 07:37 AM
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PNCL's carrot doesn't exist. DALPA has to agree to a flow thru. That will NEVER happen. They did already agree to 35% of new hire classes being be filled with ALPA pilots affected by downsizing. Hopefully that will help the Comair and Pinnacle guys when Delta hires again.
12-18-2012, 07:41 AM
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I fail to see the logic that one job interview at Compass is a vastly superior litmus test, to providing 13-17 years of safe transportation as a Northwest Airlink/Delta Connection feeder. The guys that would have flowed under the old agreement are not 25 year old kids. They are in their 40's and older. My friends that did flow haven't met a single CA that had an issue with the flow.
Maybe regionals do a 5 min interview, but DAL (and NWA) do/did not. As others have said, it is as much of a personality check as it is a proficiency check. By your logic anyone that has flown for 13-17 years should get a pass. Let's flow all of those mil pilots that flew for 12-20 years. They are obviously trainable and proficient. Let's just keep the interview process as it is and let the flow be directly to an interview.
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12-18-2012, 08:14 AM
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12-18-2012, 08:18 AM
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12-18-2012, 08:19 AM
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I can't believe I'm going to respond to this, but...
Maybe regionals do a 5 min interview, but DAL (and NWA) do/did not. As others have said, it is as much of a personality check as it is a proficiency check. By your logic anyone that has flown for 13-17 years should get a pass. Let's flow all of those mil pilots that flew for 12-20 years. They are obviously trainable and proficient. Let's just keep the interview process as it is and let the flow be directly to an interview.
Maybe regionals do a 5 min interview, but DAL (and NWA) do/did not. As others have said, it is as much of a personality check as it is a proficiency check. By your logic anyone that has flown for 13-17 years should get a pass. Let's flow all of those mil pilots that flew for 12-20 years. They are obviously trainable and proficient. Let's just keep the interview process as it is and let the flow be directly to an interview.
Q-what are the two things a NWA pilot has that a Legacy Delta pilot doesn't?
A-A leather jacket hanging in the closet and a rejection letter from Delta Airlines.
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