Burn Notice

It is good to see constructive discussion. The important thing you both bring up is contact your reps!! Make sure they know you want compliance.

APCLurker

If we can get the new contract rammed through in record time via "constructive engagement," why should it take 4 years to end their contract non-compliance?

Is the "constructive engagement" less of a two-way street than it appears? Only when it suits them?

That being said I agree that compensation for the period of grievance is needed in addition to the ending of the non-compliance/violation. Compensation in exchange for allowing them to continue the violation with our agreement is the no-no.

SailorJerry

Unfortunately the real issue is likely interest and intent. We have enough complicated and technical issues on our plate at any given time, and very few take the Bucking Bar approach and drill down into the codeshare specifics. Should we be mad - well yeah - our share of the flying is not in compliance with the specified levels. Should we be made whole? Absolutely.

But as long as we all jump at the chance to email the government about transferring our Haneda slot, or swapping slots at LGA, but we have no interest in bashing down the company's door over a section 1 violation, then the company has no motivation to do anything differently

ALPA or not - 10,000 angry pilots would make for a productive direct relationship with the company. But since only 100 or so are probably troubled by this issue on a daily basis...

Guess the question is - what is our goal? I'd quote the SPC Chairman but it's probably something along the lines of "continue constructive engagement". That's not planning - that's pandering to the company and the majority of happy pilots at Delta.

Purple Drank

But DALPA said "constructive engagement" was "good for us," and DALPA would never mislead us.

80ktsClamp

Sorry... slow's post quickly triggered a number of (rightfully) angry replies... your post quoted one of those that quoted his deleted post.

Cleanup when someone says something, um, ill-advised can be a bit of a pain if you can imagine. It would have been more fun had I not happened to have logged in until later in the day!

LeineLodge

What exactly is your strategy then? I'm all ears. When I hear a better idea backed up by solid reasoning, I will jump behind it 100%.

*Hint - Chronic pessimism and emotional one-liners are not a strategy.

tsquare

Please don't quote drank. I am sure I am not alone in that I have him on /ignore, and the only time I have to read his drivel is when he is quoted.

buzzpat

^^^^^^^ Don't quote drank. Life is so much better.

Ferd149

Never mind

capncrunch

Just so we are clear, telling people to "call their reps" is a cop out as well.