Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-12-2012, 11:33 AM
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I have some feedback from the calls I made. The numbers posted by Bar are correct. The company is however still in compliance with the contract so there is no direct action that can be taken at the moment. The company could meet the required flying percentages however it would require both a increase on our end and a pulldown by AF. They are not expected by the union to do that and they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation however at the moment they can't do anything. It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.
12-12-2012, 11:36 AM
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It was not an easy tenure with the issues we faced as a pilot group. The team leaves a strong legacy of tangible results, especially when measured by the datum of our peer group over the same period of time.
While we vigorously debate the issues and occasionally disagree, we always share a common goal of doing our best to improve the job protections, pay and working conditions of our pilots.
Among ALPA members, we are always among friends.
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12-12-2012, 11:46 AM
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12-12-2012, 12:03 PM
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(reply not aimed specifically at anyone, Sailingfun's post simply outlines the most likely result correctly and succinctly)
AKA, Wide Body Scope Sale.
So, when we sit down to figure out the sales price of our job security, do we:
Our management is smart. ALPA is no dummy either. For some reason neither side wants to stop trading in ALPA members' jobs.
My hope is that Delta will eventually find some of that "We love to Fly and it shows" spirit.
... they are expected to be in non compliance. The union intends to aggressively pursue remedies to the situation .... It does however provide us leverage in future JV discussions and there will have to be a penalty to the company for non compliance. At a minimum I would expect a financial penalty equal to the flying that would be required to bring the percentages into contractual compliance.
So, when we sit down to figure out the sales price of our job security, do we:
- Calculate the widebody to narrow body Captain differential
- Narrow Body Captain to Wide Body FO differential
- Wide Body FO to narrow body FO differential
- Quality of life differential in all categories
- The value of lost longevity for the Delta pilots whos' career stagnated
Our management is smart. ALPA is no dummy either. For some reason neither side wants to stop trading in ALPA members' jobs.
My hope is that Delta will eventually find some of that "We love to Fly and it shows" spirit.
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12-12-2012, 12:38 PM
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Have we seen any JV's yet that have resulted in more flying for the Delta pilots? If not, then DALPA needs to re-evaluate the language in these agreements.
12-12-2012, 12:44 PM
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Sometimes you are a small person. Both slow and alfa DECIDED not to stay around after being asked to stay. I hope you realize that neither of us is unhappy in any way we have been looking for the exit door for a long time, I now get to work less and get paid more. But if your life is so small that it makes you happy to believe that we are weeping in our beers then go for it. This is part of the sad, pathetic politics of personal destruction that leads to a dysfunctional union unable to protect their members interests. Let's wallow in the muck a little more and see how that works for us.
That's not my understanding of what happened, but fair enough. My beef with you two is not what you've done- it's how you interact in a particularly condescending manner with the people you are supposed to support.
12-12-2012, 12:58 PM
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We have some really qualified people working on this and monitoring the situation. If pilots have concerns they are more then willing to talk with you and explain things in terms that the layman can understand. All it takes is a few phone calls. The union is well aware the company may fall out of compliance and has plans in place to work on equitable solutions. They can't however take any action until they are actually in violation of the agreement.
12-12-2012, 01:09 PM
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:The contract is specific on JV flying. I expect the union to enforce that contract but some of the posts here have no basis on reality.:
12-12-2012, 01:10 PM
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It was more of a snarky way of putting it- what you stated is correct due to the addition of AZ.
I have since my last post been contacted again by people directly involved. There are some interesting numbers. The first thing that needs to be understood is with the Alitalia agreement the company had to grow our share of flying to be in compliance long term. That is part of the 2.4 percent mentioned above if a snapshot had been taken the day they joined the alliance. Had we kept the 1 year window and the metric when Alitalia was added they would be in compliance. That is why they got the 3 year window, allowing them time to add the additional required flying. That has not happened because of the economy in Europe. We have not lost flying percentage wise to AF/KLM. The pull down has been equal on both sides. We did not however gain the flying we were supposed to get with the 3 year window. I thought we had made a greater pull down but that is not the case. In fact in terms of block hours our percentage is up from around 53 percent of the transatlantic JV hours to 55 percent today. The agreement is based of course on a metric more complicated then straight block hours however block hours equates directly with jobs.
We have some really qualified people working on this and monitoring the situation. If pilots have concerns they are more then willing to talk with you and explain things in terms that the layman can understand. All it takes is a few phone calls. The union is well aware the company may fall out of compliance and has plans in place to work on equitable solutions. They can't however take any action until they are actually in violation of the agreement.
We have some really qualified people working on this and monitoring the situation. If pilots have concerns they are more then willing to talk with you and explain things in terms that the layman can understand. All it takes is a few phone calls. The union is well aware the company may fall out of compliance and has plans in place to work on equitable solutions. They can't however take any action until they are actually in violation of the agreement.
The imbalance was even acknowledged in the LCP meeting a while ago... the company is very aware and appears to be looking for a solution as well. Hopefully it can be resolved with increasing flying for DL pilots.
12-12-2012, 01:24 PM
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KC10 Fatboy, I had the same issue on getting the cursor where I wanted, and finally posted about it... someone explained it to me. You press your finger on the place you want to insert, HOLD IT THERE, in a second a magnifying glass will pop up and you can slide the insert point back and forth and insert with ease and precision. It's not intuitively obvious, and I was considering canning the phone until I learned this.
Very interested in your review though, as I have a 4S but have never been an apple user until this... I'd like to be on a GIII for the screen size, if it has good phone audio quality, battery life, and decent voice commands hooked up to a bluetooth headset.
(I do a LOT of business while commuting, using a headset and dictating to my phone. My Palm phone had better voice command integration for do lists and email and texting and calling folks than my 4S, and it DIDN'T send every voice command I made to some apple-server somewhere for a response but was native on the phone).
Very interested in your review though, as I have a 4S but have never been an apple user until this... I'd like to be on a GIII for the screen size, if it has good phone audio quality, battery life, and decent voice commands hooked up to a bluetooth headset.
(I do a LOT of business while commuting, using a headset and dictating to my phone. My Palm phone had better voice command integration for do lists and email and texting and calling folks than my 4S, and it DIDN'T send every voice command I made to some apple-server somewhere for a response but was native on the phone).
Smart phone wars ...
I just ditched Verizon's Thunderbolt (VZW's first 4G Android phone) for an iPhone5. All I can say is wow, the iPhone is a piece of crap. I can write a book about all the things I hate about it. Sure, my Android had some issues. But overall, the Android system is vastly superior in so many ways. The iPhone iOS is really bad and boring. The lack of Google's mapping software (Google Maps, Local, Street View) is the iPhone5's downfall.
The reason why I voiced my opinion is what Johnso mentioned. I have found that when trying to place the cursor mid sentence or in the middle of a word, it is almost damn near impossible on my iPhone. I have to tap or press over and over and over before it selects. It is very frustrating. I have the same results on a friend's iPhone. It could be my fingers haha.
The only thing I like about the iPhone are some of the functions that Siri makes easy (say "directions to Orlando" and boom there they are). However, that Apple Maps is the biggest fail ever in smartphone apps.
If the Samsung GIII goes Global Ready on Verizon, or if the new HTC Droid DNA gets a bigger battery, I will pay the extra money to switch. I believe the only reason why the iPhone is relevant today is because of the cult following that Apple has and that love affair is slowing growing cold. Apple needs a major overhaul to their iPhone which was once game changing but IMO is below average.
I just ditched Verizon's Thunderbolt (VZW's first 4G Android phone) for an iPhone5. All I can say is wow, the iPhone is a piece of crap. I can write a book about all the things I hate about it. Sure, my Android had some issues. But overall, the Android system is vastly superior in so many ways. The iPhone iOS is really bad and boring. The lack of Google's mapping software (Google Maps, Local, Street View) is the iPhone5's downfall.
The reason why I voiced my opinion is what Johnso mentioned. I have found that when trying to place the cursor mid sentence or in the middle of a word, it is almost damn near impossible on my iPhone. I have to tap or press over and over and over before it selects. It is very frustrating. I have the same results on a friend's iPhone. It could be my fingers haha.
The only thing I like about the iPhone are some of the functions that Siri makes easy (say "directions to Orlando" and boom there they are). However, that Apple Maps is the biggest fail ever in smartphone apps.
If the Samsung GIII goes Global Ready on Verizon, or if the new HTC Droid DNA gets a bigger battery, I will pay the extra money to switch. I believe the only reason why the iPhone is relevant today is because of the cult following that Apple has and that love affair is slowing growing cold. Apple needs a major overhaul to their iPhone which was once game changing but IMO is below average.
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