Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-12-2012, 04:43 AM
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December 11, 2012
Richard praised Air Line Pilots Association’s Lee Moak in a Street.com profile that called Moak a visionary union leader who helped pave the way for significant changes in the state of labor relations in the industry that have benefitted Delta pilots.
Richard praised Moak’s relationships with Delta executives and added that "his father was a marine sergeant and Lee was a marine fighter pilot, so when you're talking about someone with discipline and determination, you're talking about Lee Moak. He is also polite, and that makes him effective.”
The story outlined how Moak’s approach to contentious issues such as Delta’s restructuring and contract talks stepped away from the traditional adversarial tactics in order to create a healthier airline that offered more opportunities for Delta pilots.
"I think that Lee has broken the mold and proven that when we all cooperate, the industry does better and the employees do better,” Richard continued. “(At Delta) we have moved from a regulated era of 'us vs. them' to 'we're all in this together,' and we trust each other and work together to make our airline successful.”
Moak, a 55-year-old native of Tulsa, Okla., who resides in New Orleans, was elected chairman of the Delta ALPA chapter in August 2005, a month before the carrier began its restructuring. He served three terms until January 2011, when he took office as ALPA’s national president.
December 11, 2012
Richard praised Air Line Pilots Association’s Lee Moak in a Street.com profile that called Moak a visionary union leader who helped pave the way for significant changes in the state of labor relations in the industry that have benefitted Delta pilots.
Richard praised Moak’s relationships with Delta executives and added that "his father was a marine sergeant and Lee was a marine fighter pilot, so when you're talking about someone with discipline and determination, you're talking about Lee Moak. He is also polite, and that makes him effective.”
The story outlined how Moak’s approach to contentious issues such as Delta’s restructuring and contract talks stepped away from the traditional adversarial tactics in order to create a healthier airline that offered more opportunities for Delta pilots.
"I think that Lee has broken the mold and proven that when we all cooperate, the industry does better and the employees do better,” Richard continued. “(At Delta) we have moved from a regulated era of 'us vs. them' to 'we're all in this together,' and we trust each other and work together to make our airline successful.”
Moak, a 55-year-old native of Tulsa, Okla., who resides in New Orleans, was elected chairman of the Delta ALPA chapter in August 2005, a month before the carrier began its restructuring. He served three terms until January 2011, when he took office as ALPA’s national president.
12-12-2012, 04:51 AM
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December 11, 2012
Richard praised Air Line Pilots Association’s Lee Moak in a Street.com profile that called Moak a visionary union leader who helped pave the way for significant changes in the state of labor relations in the industry that have benefitted Delta pilots.
Richard praised Moak’s relationships with Delta executives and added that "his father was a marine sergeant and Lee was a marine fighter pilot, so when you're talking about someone with discipline and determination, you're talking about Lee Moak. He is also polite, and that makes him effective.”
The story outlined how Moak’s approach to contentious issues such as Delta’s restructuring and contract talks stepped away from the traditional adversarial tactics in order to create a healthier airline that offered more opportunities for Delta pilots.
"I think that Lee has broken the mold and proven that when we all cooperate, the industry does better and the employees do better,” Richard continued. “(At Delta) we have moved from a regulated era of 'us vs. them' to 'we're all in this together,' and we trust each other and work together to make our airline successful.”
Moak, a 55-year-old native of Tulsa, Okla., who resides in New Orleans, was elected chairman of the Delta ALPA chapter in August 2005, a month before the carrier began its restructuring. He served three terms until January 2011, when he took office as ALPA’s national president.
December 11, 2012
Richard praised Air Line Pilots Association’s Lee Moak in a Street.com profile that called Moak a visionary union leader who helped pave the way for significant changes in the state of labor relations in the industry that have benefitted Delta pilots.
Richard praised Moak’s relationships with Delta executives and added that "his father was a marine sergeant and Lee was a marine fighter pilot, so when you're talking about someone with discipline and determination, you're talking about Lee Moak. He is also polite, and that makes him effective.”
The story outlined how Moak’s approach to contentious issues such as Delta’s restructuring and contract talks stepped away from the traditional adversarial tactics in order to create a healthier airline that offered more opportunities for Delta pilots.
"I think that Lee has broken the mold and proven that when we all cooperate, the industry does better and the employees do better,” Richard continued. “(At Delta) we have moved from a regulated era of 'us vs. them' to 'we're all in this together,' and we trust each other and work together to make our airline successful.”
Moak, a 55-year-old native of Tulsa, Okla., who resides in New Orleans, was elected chairman of the Delta ALPA chapter in August 2005, a month before the carrier began its restructuring. He served three terms until January 2011, when he took office as ALPA’s national president.
12-12-2012, 05:03 AM
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12-12-2012, 05:36 AM
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That is amazing and sad. Flights between both airlines' major hubs, so you would think it would be about even. But it's not even close.
Standby for the same thing to happen at LHR. I think management was smart to do this at a point where our European flying is so pulled back. If our main protection is that our block hours cannot drop below the same three months from a year ago, it simply means our flying will stay the same while they get all the growth as the economy recovers (sometime). I see the brilliant VAustralia agreement ALPA is so proud of as working the same way.
Standby for the same thing to happen at LHR. I think management was smart to do this at a point where our European flying is so pulled back. If our main protection is that our block hours cannot drop below the same three months from a year ago, it simply means our flying will stay the same while they get all the growth as the economy recovers (sometime). I see the brilliant VAustralia agreement ALPA is so proud of as working the same way.
What is missing from many of these discussions is the reality of being the one national airline of a country. If we wanted a agreement with AirFrance where we flew half the departures or half the seats ect.. it would relegate AirFrance to a bit player or put them out of business. They fly all the French flights to the US while we fly only a small portion of the US flights to France. There would never be a alliance with AirFrance in the first place if such conditions were insisted on. Under the AF joint venture we saw massive expansion in the flying to Europe. We have lost some of that with the collapse in the economy in Europe however we still have more then in the past.
I have seen my schedules and time off decimated by what has happened in Europe. I am living it first hand. The forum here wants to cast blame on someone. They think we should fly flights and lose money. Management has a different opinion. There is a reality in working in a industry so dependent on outside economic conditions. Delta has come through the issues in the last 4 years in great shape and the pilot group has made large gains without putting anyone on the street. That in and off itself is a amazing achievement given the conditions.
We are told on the forum when Europe recovers we will not see the flying, yet in the last boom in Europe we saw a large increase even though we were aligned with AF. When the Far East collapsed in 09 we saw a large pull back and down gauge in the flights there. We parked 4 747's and moved larger aircraft to Europe. They have recovered and so has the Delta flying.
The contract is specific on JV flying. I expect the union to enforce that contract but some of the posts here have no basis on reality. The quote of the money should be a copilot who stated in the lounge that he would be a WB Captain now if we did not have any alliances. Far more likely is that he would be furloughed now or perhaps Delta would be out of business. Its a global economy and like it or not no airline can build the type of network needed to survive solo. Even the Great in his own mind Richard Branson has finally figured that out despite the unique situation of flying out of a airport with no expansion allowed to increase competition.
12-12-2012, 05:42 AM
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So his comment, based on no data, is wrong, but yours, based on no data, is more likely. Got it.
12-12-2012, 05:53 AM
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I grabbed this info off flight aware just because I was curious. Now I admit this is only one or two days in mid December and does not reflect a years worth of operations.
So fwiw...
Now let's pretend for a moment the numbers are not only right but indicative of the overall situation. To me it makes me not like JVs because of what I see there with us and AF in JFK and ATL. Even though I know we make some flying up in ORD or PIT in the like.
For the VA JV, I can see what they're doing. But it's the JV with AF that makes me worried that's where we'll head to especially since we might not have many token cities because of LHR slot controls.
I don't know, just my two cents.
So fwiw...
Now let's pretend for a moment the numbers are not only right but indicative of the overall situation. To me it makes me not like JVs because of what I see there with us and AF in JFK and ATL. Even though I know we make some flying up in ORD or PIT in the like.
For the VA JV, I can see what they're doing. But it's the JV with AF that makes me worried that's where we'll head to especially since we might not have many token cities because of LHR slot controls.
I don't know, just my two cents.
12-12-2012, 06:04 AM
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Delta has a bright future. The financials look strong and management is excited about all our Joint Ventures and alliances.
The operation is running like a Swiss watch. All the metrics are excellent. On time, lost bags, completion factor, customer complaints, D-Zero, etc. etc. all look fantastic and continue to improve.
And they are making the Trainer refinery sound like a license to print money.
BUT - From a pilot perspective this Investor Day conference is nothing short of dismal.
Richard and Ed are making no bones about it.
The "network" will grow but they are planning to shrink the "Delta" portion of the airline further.
Capacity will definitely be down in 2013 and down again to possibly flat in 2014.
And if we go over this fiscal cliff and the economy tips back into recession - watch out, they are ready to park a bunch of jets.
The operation is running like a Swiss watch. All the metrics are excellent. On time, lost bags, completion factor, customer complaints, D-Zero, etc. etc. all look fantastic and continue to improve.
And they are making the Trainer refinery sound like a license to print money.
BUT - From a pilot perspective this Investor Day conference is nothing short of dismal.
Richard and Ed are making no bones about it.
The "network" will grow but they are planning to shrink the "Delta" portion of the airline further.
Capacity will definitely be down in 2013 and down again to possibly flat in 2014.
And if we go over this fiscal cliff and the economy tips back into recession - watch out, they are ready to park a bunch of jets.
Last edited by Check Essential; 12-12-2012 at 06:42 AM.
12-12-2012, 06:07 AM
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December 11, 2012
Richard praised Air Line Pilots Association’s Lee Moak in a Street.com profile that called Moak a visionary union leader who helped pave the way for significant changes in the state of labor relations in the industry that have benefitted Delta pilots.
Richard praised Moak’s relationships with Delta executives and added that "his father was a marine sergeant and Lee was a marine fighter pilot, so when you're talking about someone with discipline and determination, you're talking about Lee Moak. He is also polite, and that makes him effective.”
The story outlined how Moak’s approach to contentious issues such as Delta’s restructuring and contract talks stepped away from the traditional adversarial tactics in order to create a healthier airline that offered more opportunities for Delta pilots.
"I think that Lee has broken the mold and proven that when we all cooperate, the industry does better and the employees do better,” Richard continued. “(At Delta) we have moved from a regulated era of 'us vs. them' to 'we're all in this together,' and we trust each other and work together to make our airline successful.”
Moak, a 55-year-old native of Tulsa, Okla., who resides in New Orleans, was elected chairman of the Delta ALPA chapter in August 2005, a month before the carrier began its restructuring. He served three terms until January 2011, when he took office as ALPA’s national president.
December 11, 2012
Richard praised Air Line Pilots Association’s Lee Moak in a Street.com profile that called Moak a visionary union leader who helped pave the way for significant changes in the state of labor relations in the industry that have benefitted Delta pilots.
Richard praised Moak’s relationships with Delta executives and added that "his father was a marine sergeant and Lee was a marine fighter pilot, so when you're talking about someone with discipline and determination, you're talking about Lee Moak. He is also polite, and that makes him effective.”
The story outlined how Moak’s approach to contentious issues such as Delta’s restructuring and contract talks stepped away from the traditional adversarial tactics in order to create a healthier airline that offered more opportunities for Delta pilots.
"I think that Lee has broken the mold and proven that when we all cooperate, the industry does better and the employees do better,” Richard continued. “(At Delta) we have moved from a regulated era of 'us vs. them' to 'we're all in this together,' and we trust each other and work together to make our airline successful.”
Moak, a 55-year-old native of Tulsa, Okla., who resides in New Orleans, was elected chairman of the Delta ALPA chapter in August 2005, a month before the carrier began its restructuring. He served three terms until January 2011, when he took office as ALPA’s national president.
12-12-2012, 06:08 AM
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Delta has a bright future.
BUT - From a pilot perspective this Investor Day conference is nothing short of dismal.
Richard and Ed are making no bones about it.
They are planning to shrink the airline further.
Capacity will definitely be down in 2013 and down to flat in 2014.
BUT - From a pilot perspective this Investor Day conference is nothing short of dismal.
Richard and Ed are making no bones about it.
They are planning to shrink the airline further.
Capacity will definitely be down in 2013 and down to flat in 2014.
12-12-2012, 06:11 AM
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"We currently operate Boeing 747 and Airbus A340 aircraft. We have also ordered six Airbus A380 aircraft, due to be delivered from 2015. These double-decker aircraft are the world's largest, and will enable us to introduce revolutionary onboard product and service innovations. Ten Airbus A330-300s will also form part of our growing fleet from early 2011, whilst 15 of the new Boeing 787-9 Dreamliners will start operation across our network in 2014."
Now just park older DAL’s 767’s and you have superbly, bloody, modern fleet!!
And yes, LHR-ATL-anywhere outside US is totaly legal.
Sorry, waiting for the LOA..
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